Well duh if you prophetize it like year ago, that would be called sociology not prophecy,

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 08, 2021, 05:16:12 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 08, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.

   Prophecy shall be fulfilled.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer
One day, a gamer shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of Fourth Edition to light our darkest hour.

There's a prophecy now? Like I don't have enough pressure going on...

Well, I guess I was the weirdo who actually liked Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime and wasn't too sad Optimus died (he spoke from beyond the grave all Obi-Wan style so he wasn't dead, just more powerful than you could possibly imagine).

Plus, guy thrust into leadership trying to live up the legend is way more interesting a character type than living Messiah figure (the greatest irony being that original recipe Optimus was way more sarcastic, humorous and gung ho; it's only once they resurrected him that every incarnation started being presented as a serious and stoic figure who felt he couldn't get close to his men... it's a complete bowdlerization that seems more based on taking Rodimus' posthumous idolization seriously).

Well, back the grindstone... sadly games to challenge the Chaosbringer don't write themselves.

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 09, 2021, 10:36:18 AM
Well, I guess I was the weirdo who actually liked Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime and wasn't too sad Optimus died (he spoke from beyond the grave all Obi-Wan style so he wasn't dead, just more powerful than you could possibly imagine).

   I always favored Ultra Magnus, myself, and thought he got a bum rap from a lot of the fandom. But then, I knew from the marketing for the toys and movie that Prime was dead going in, and I didn't start paying any real attention to the Matter of Cybertron until just before the Movie's release.

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Plus, guy thrust into leadership trying to live up the legend is way more interesting a character type than living Messiah figure (the greatest irony being that original recipe Optimus was way more sarcastic, humorous and gung ho; it's only once they resurrected him that every incarnation started being presented as a serious and stoic figure who felt he couldn't get close to his men... it's a complete bowdlerization that seems more based on taking Rodimus' posthumous idolization seriously).

   I haven't kept up with the franchise much since the turn of the millennium, but I wonder how much of this comes out of the G1 comics, which were already hitting similar notes.

Quote from: HappyDaze on March 08, 2021, 12:26:50 PM
It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books.  Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again. ...

Any loss in sales for 5e due to wokeness will be spun as the edition life cycle just coming to an end...

And all a WOKETC needs for a 5.5/6e is for enough people to buy in to still be able to claim the title of #1 selling RPG. And they will tout it as a great success!

With no Baizuo 4e era equivalent around to keep WOTC honest that is all that they would need.

If HASBRO is successful with the D&D movie and Tv initiatives, and they start bringing in big money they will likely pay less and less attention to the RPG side of things so long as there are no major controversies. I suspect that a lot of their attention is focused on the media initiatives now considering the cost of the investment...

Quote from: oggsmash on March 08, 2021, 12:16:35 PM

   It is strange that these people get into business, which has a goal of reaching as broad an audience as possible, when their goals is to shove a very, very, tiny minority worldview into people's faces and then try to guilt them into buying it.  I realize certain segments of the population have limited ability to reproduce, but must use recruitment to fill their ranks, but this is nuts.

This is a side effect of these big corporations having so much money coming in that accountability in certain areas is Very Lax.

These woke leftists have also been very successful in shaking down these corporations by convincing them that they have actual power.

Quote from: Jaeger on March 09, 2021, 12:28:16 PM
This is a side effect of these big corporations having so much money coming in that accountability in certain areas is Very Lax.

These woke leftists have also been very successful in shaking down these corporations by convincing them that they have actual power.

I think it's more just an example of the old addage that 10 people screaming is louder than 1,000 people who remain silent.

The only thing I am curious about is how long will it take to publicly and openly rehabilitate Lorraine Williams. After all, she was just before her time.

You know it will happen.

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 09, 2021, 10:36:18 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 08, 2021, 05:16:12 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 08, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.

   Prophecy shall be fulfilled.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer
One day, a gamer shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of Fourth Edition to light our darkest hour.

There's a prophecy now? Like I don't have enough pressure going on...

Well, I guess I was the weirdo who actually liked Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime and wasn't too sad Optimus died (he spoke from beyond the grave all Obi-Wan style so he wasn't dead, just more powerful than you could possibly imagine).

Plus, guy thrust into leadership trying to live up the legend is way more interesting a character type than living Messiah figure (the greatest irony being that original recipe Optimus was way more sarcastic, humorous and gung ho; it's only once they resurrected him that every incarnation started being presented as a serious and stoic figure who felt he couldn't get close to his men... it's a complete bowdlerization that seems more based on taking Rodimus' posthumous idolization seriously).

I can't resist a TF conversation.

Season 1 characters were a lot less "Flanderized". Optimus was a leader who was stoic and responsible, but also approachable.

The animated movie was a marketing decision to knock off all (most) of the existing characters and replace them with new toys. The idea of Rodimus was neat, but the actual character in Season 3 was so... goddamn... whiny! A character growing into his role is fine, but being his main schtick and beating it into the ground got tiresome fast.
And I agree, after the fan reaction they brought back Optimus, cementing the concept of the Revolving Door of Death in the franchise and ensuring that any characters getting bumped off could easily come back, the series treated him too reverently. The shows afterwards seemed to focus on referencing the events of the movie, like Star Wars, it became about itself and how awesome it was, and I think that contributed to the show being cancelled just before Season 4. (With the Headmasters squeaking out the door before they shut down.) Plus, yknow, toy churn and new stuff like TMNT and Power Rangers coming out as competition.

Quote from: Shasarak on March 07, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
I hope that WotC makes every character in Ravenloft queer.

Then the horror will be complete.


Excellent.

But none of them will actually be in same sex relationships. They'll just have colorful hair and weird fetishes. "Queerness" isn't about being gay anymore man, it's just about transgressing boundaries.

The basic framework here is:

1. Be as obnoxious as possible, bully everyone, harass your opponents, generally be a horrible person.
2. Wait for people to attack you for being a horrible person.
3. Claim that you're oppressed because everyone is attacking you.
4. Get someone on your side of the culture war to give you a job because you're so very oppressed and it's awful.

Rinse, wash, repeat. The more you do this the more people will get out of your way, because they can see that you're a bully and that you're being rewarded for it. The problem is that eventually you end up having to bully someone on your own side who basically believes all the same things you do. And this is when you start eating your own and you get these weirder and more extreme beliefs so that people can fight each other.

Quote from: TobiasP on March 09, 2021, 07:46:33 PM

But none of them will actually be in same sex relationships. They'll just have colorful hair and weird fetishes. "Queerness" isn't about being gay anymore man, it's just about transgressing boundaries.

Transgression is being just like everyone else?

I suppose it makes sense, since supporting the establishment is now considered revolutionary.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 09, 2021, 03:56:59 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 09, 2021, 10:36:18 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 08, 2021, 05:16:12 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 08, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
This probably does indicate more in the direction of the latter and, if so, then I attribute my previous bouts of writer's block to God wanting my non-SJW modern design (not OSR) system to be released closer to the advent of what might better be called 666e.

   Prophecy shall be fulfilled.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer
One day, a gamer shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of Fourth Edition to light our darkest hour.

There's a prophecy now? Like I don't have enough pressure going on...

Well, I guess I was the weirdo who actually liked Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime and wasn't too sad Optimus died (he spoke from beyond the grave all Obi-Wan style so he wasn't dead, just more powerful than you could possibly imagine).

Plus, guy thrust into leadership trying to live up the legend is way more interesting a character type than living Messiah figure (the greatest irony being that original recipe Optimus was way more sarcastic, humorous and gung ho; it's only once they resurrected him that every incarnation started being presented as a serious and stoic figure who felt he couldn't get close to his men... it's a complete bowdlerization that seems more based on taking Rodimus' posthumous idolization seriously).

I can't resist a TF conversation.

Season 1 characters were a lot less "Flanderized". Optimus was a leader who was stoic and responsible, but also approachable.

The animated movie was a marketing decision to knock off all (most) of the existing characters and replace them with new toys. The idea of Rodimus was neat, but the actual character in Season 3 was so... goddamn... whiny! A character growing into his role is fine, but being his main schtick and beating it into the ground got tiresome fast.
And I agree, after the fan reaction they brought back Optimus, cementing the concept of the Revolving Door of Death in the franchise and ensuring that any characters getting bumped off could easily come back, the series treated him too reverently. The shows afterwards seemed to focus on referencing the events of the movie, like Star Wars, it became about itself and how awesome it was, and I think that contributed to the show being cancelled just before Season 4. (With the Headmasters squeaking out the door before they shut down.) Plus, yknow, toy churn and new stuff like TMNT and Power Rangers coming out as competition.

Hence why the IDW run had, y'know, actual character death being so novel and entertaining.

Quote from: Jaeger on March 09, 2021, 12:28:16 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on March 08, 2021, 12:26:50 PM
It will be interesting to see if people on a mass scale, are willing to re-buy '5e:re-imagined' when most already own the books.  Woke reaction perhaps, but I think your average gamer will not be too enthusiastic to buy it again. ...

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I actually argued that if they make a new edition, plenty will buy in even if the changes are minimal, just as with 3e to 3.5e.

Quote from: HappyDaze on March 10, 2021, 06:15:00 PM
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I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I actually argued that if they make a new edition, plenty will buy in even if the changes are minimal, just as with 3e to 3.5e.

You are entirely correct. Apologies for the misquote!

It was rocksfalleverybodydies I actually quoted - I obviously F'd up somewhere when I was trimming the quote down to reply.

Quote from: TobiasP on March 09, 2021, 07:46:33 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on March 07, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
I hope that WotC makes every character in Ravenloft queer.

Then the horror will be complete.


Excellent.

But none of them will actually be in same sex relationships. They'll just have colorful hair and weird fetishes. "Queerness" isn't about being gay anymore man, it's just about transgressing boundaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_theory

Quote from: Melan on March 09, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
The only thing I am curious about is how long will it take to publicly and openly rehabilitate Lorraine Williams. After all, she was just before her time.

You know it will happen.

This is how long. 

Quote from: Melan on December 20, 2021, 04:55:44 PM

Quote from: Melan on March 09, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
The only thing I am curious about is how long will it take to publicly and openly rehabilitate Lorraine Williams. After all, she was just before her time.

You know it will happen.

This is how long. 

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The irony is that there was a book series that put a large helping of blame on Williams's head over TSR's fate. That series, Designers & Dragons, was written by... Shannon Appelcline.

You know. The person who fucking owns TBP.