From the birth of the hobby there were women, LGBT people and people of color playing D&D. But if you believed some recent blogs and articles (including one in The Mary Sue), the D&D hobby was the domain of evil White Supremacist Straight  Male Privileged Jocks until Current Year, when suddenly it became safe for women and LGBT people.

That's a complete lie, and here's  my breakdown of it.


[video=youtube_share;7nKpVSL2Rb4]https://youtu.be/7nKpVSL2Rb4[/youtube]

LOL.

As Opaopajr has pointed out before, every generation thinks they invented sex. This generation thinks they invented RPGs. Or at very least, they believe they invented Nazi-Free RPGing which never existed before.

Oh well. Fuck those fucking fuckheads.

Also, do you drink coffee before making your drip coffee so you have the patience to wait for the drip coffee?

I'd be chewing on the table.

Yeah, RPGs were so popular among the Jocks   o_O

What a joke.

I am non-white. I have been non-white all my life, I can't even choose to "identify" as a different ethnicity, since it's blatantly apparent to anyone looking at me. I started in this hobby in the early 1990s, and I was often the only non-white person in any group I played in (barring when my brother used to play).

You know what happened as a result of being the only non-white person in those groups? Nothing. No one gave a shit; it wasn't a thing, I wasn't "excluded" or "othered", I didn't feel "unsafe". I was just another person engaged in this niche and slightly odd hobby.

This is just more SJWs engaging in revisionist history, inventing discrimination and "oppression" in the past that didn't exist. Pretty dumb thing to do when there are lots of people who were actually around at the time and were sober enough to remember how it was.

Quote from: Kiero;1093056I am non-white. I have been non-white all my life, I can't even choose to "identify" as a different ethnicity, since it's blatantly apparent to anyone looking at me. I started in this hobby in the early 1990s, and I was often the only non-white person in any group I played in (barring when my brother used to play).

You know what happened as a result of being the only non-white person in those groups? Nothing. No one gave a shit; it wasn't a thing, I wasn't "excluded" or "othered", I didn't feel "unsafe". I was just another person engaged in this niche and slightly odd hobby.

This is just more SJWs engaging in revisionist history, inventing discrimination and "oppression" in the past that didn't exist. Pretty dumb thing to do when there are lots of people who were actually around at the time and were sober enough to remember how it was.

They think they have enough control to blatantly lie and have their lies be the official account. "Repeat a lie often enough..." etc.

Echoed from another social media post I made the day before this video was posted (and I posted in the video comments section):

Of course, my experience is only my own, but in playing RPGs for 35+ years - My first D&D DM was Trans. The vast majority of games I have been involved in (at conventions, game stores, and dozens of private groups) have had more women than men at the table...and I have played D&D with all races, genders, and sexual orientations. I have also been on various RPG forums and web groups since the infancy of the internet...

In all of that, I have never witnessed the kind of things that these websites/articles are pushing as a narrative. Quite the opposite, in fact. The tabletop community I have witnessed has always welcomed people that weren't mainstream and didn't confirm to societal norms.

It always seems to be a twenty-somethings that never experienced gaming in the 70s or 80s (at the start of the RPG hobby) telling us how much of a problem it has been going back to the first tabletop RPGs.

Call all of the above anecdotal, but It is no more anecdotal than The Marysue author's alleged experience with one single group of gamers at a game store when she was 17.

I just want to know when things changed from "we don't want to be part of your nerdy hobby" to "why are you excluding non-white, non-males"?

Quote from: FickleGM;1093071I just want to know when things changed from "we don't want to be part of your nerdy hobby" to "why are you excluding non-white, non-males"?

When making money streaming games on the Internet became a lucrative prospect.

Also, I'm not a "jock", but did play sports in high school and college. There were a group of us who played D&D with the nerds. Since I was pretty much a nerd in junior high, most of my friends were part of that group, although a lot of us also participated in sports, so I really don't understand the differentiation that well; seems like that's some Hollywood invention. At any rate, half of us were "minorities" (whatever that means), and no one gave a single fuck. There was a dude I'm pretty sure was gay, we gave him shit about it, he still played with us and we were friends with him. The Hispanic kids were fucked with about being lazy. Just pick whatever negative stereotypes you want, we hammered that home. I dunno, that's just sort of what you did as a kid, fuck with your friends by picking easy things to ridicule. The only people we didn't do that to is people we didn't care about or hang out with.

This whole thing is retarded.

Quote from: FickleGM;1093071I just want to know when things changed from "we don't want to be part of your nerdy hobby" to "why are you excluding non-white, non-males"?

2005? When did this latest bout of social justice nonsense get on the radar?

Yes, but were they affirmed? Represented in product? Have anyone they were uncomfortable with driven out with fire and sword?

Our first DM, and the person responsible for introducing our group to D&D in 1977, was a full-on jock: wrestling champion, later captain of the high school football team who went on to play football in college on a full scholarship.

Our group back then included both women (girls) and homosexuals (we later found out).

It's always amusing to have people who weren't there telling those of us who were how It Was.

Ridiculous.  I started RPGs in the early 80s, and what we got were the outcasts.  The "exotic" black kid (was a pretty white area), the gay kids, the nerds - if you wanted to play and could get along with the rest of us, you got to play.

Quote from: Kiero;1093056I am non-white. I have been non-white all my life, I can't even choose to "identify" as a different ethnicity, since it's blatantly apparent to anyone looking at me. I started in this hobby in the early 1990s, and I was often the only non-white person in any group I played in (barring when my brother used to play).

You know what happened as a result of being the only non-white person in those groups? Nothing. No one gave a shit; it wasn't a thing, I wasn't "excluded" or "othered", I didn't feel "unsafe". I was just another person engaged in this niche and slightly odd hobby.

This is just more SJWs engaging in revisionist history, inventing discrimination and "oppression" in the past that didn't exist. Pretty dumb thing to do when there are lots of people who were actually around at the time and were sober enough to remember how it was.

Give this person a beer!!!

Quote from: Thornhammer;1093079Ridiculous.  I started RPGs in the early 80s, and what we got were the outcasts.  The "exotic" black kid (was a pretty white area), the gay kids, the nerds - if you wanted to play and could get along with the rest of us, you got to play.

I take particular offense to some(!) women trying to sell me that there haven't been more women in gaming because we hadn't been inclusive enough. I remember very vividly how roleplayers and nerds ranked in girl's eyes in comparison to jocks. Evidence of all of that still lives on in past fiction (Riptide anyone?). Even Big Bang Theory repeats those cliches. So this is a revisionism of history that has no legs to stand on.

That said, I have a ton of respect for the girls who played back then - against the grain of the overall climate of coolness. That's an accomplishment that today's generation of woman gamers (who are, of course, welcome) simply can't attain anymore.

So, I have been ideologically Green throughout the 90s and I stopped doing so the day I realized the fundamental nature of leftism that applies here as well: lefties (including me back then) always need to play Robin Hood. Internally, I labeled it Robin Hood syndrome. They always need to play the fucking hero.

And to play Robin Hood, you need these three components:

• The Sheriff of Nottingham, the villain, the bad guy, the oppressor (and his rich friends)
• The widows and orphans, the poor and the oppressed
• Robin Hood (and his merryman) fighting to liberate the oppressed from the oppressor

And here's the thing: while there are some bad people in this world I suppose, lefties do not hesitate to make up Sheriffs of Nottingham and poor oppressed widows and orphans out of thin air. Because - how else can you feel lile a hero in this day and age, fighting for a noble cause, righting the wrongs of people who are supposedly intellectually and ethically inferior to you?

For 20 years I have now observed left-wing politicians, activists and voters with this in mind. Not even once has this fundamental realization failed me, except in the most moderate of cases.

And that's why the expression "If you're 20 and you're not left-wing, you have no heart; if you're 30/40/whenever and you're still left-wing you have no brain" is 100% valid. If you stay left-wing (except moderate socialdemocrats, they have an important function in politics), you lack introspection and critical self-analysis.

And all of this applies here. It's at the heart of their revisionism of history.