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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2019, 05:21:22 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2019, 06:27:29 AM »
Nerds were the popular kids who deliberately excluded others, hence they took on the epithet 'nerds'. :D Delusional thinking... but wonderfully applicaple doublethink to hammer any marginalized group in the for future identity politics. :p Remember, "ally" just means "once this war is done, you're next!" :)
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2019, 10:54:39 AM »
Did Pundit really just say he had trans characters before they were cool? LOL

When I was a teenager, we nerds were nerds. Didn't matter if they were black, white, latino, Indian or whatever. Nerd superseded all else. I think we were the most color blind people on Earth at the time.

I keep thinking as these threads pop up time and time again that we ended up with all this venom in our hobby precisely because we're such a welcoming kind of people, on the whole. I don't often agree with everything Pundit says, but this is one time I think he nails it right and squarely on the head.

Edit: Ironically, the only gay people I ever knew back then were far "too cool" to associate with our "Nerd Herd". So, no, they didn't play our games. They apparently had better things to do.
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The more clichéd my group plays their characters, the better. I don't want Deep Drama™ and Real Acting™ in the precious few hours away from my family and job. I want cheap thrills, constant action, involved-but-not-super-complex plots, and cheesy but lovable characters.
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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2019, 11:52:59 AM »
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Did Pundit really just say he had trans characters before they were cool? LOL

When I was a teenager, we nerds were nerds. Didn't matter if they were black, white, latino, Indian or whatever. Nerd superseded all else. I think we were the most color blind people on Earth at the time.

I keep thinking as these threads pop up time and time again that we ended up with all this venom in our hobby precisely because we're such a welcoming kind of people, on the whole. I don't often agree with everything Pundit says, but this is one time I think he nails it right and squarely on the head.

Edit: Ironically, the only gay people I ever knew back then were far "too cool" to associate with our "Nerd Herd". So, no, they didn't play our games. They apparently had better things to do.


And you just stumbled on the reason they are so intent on labeling the nerd identity as something toxic, evil:

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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2019, 12:39:41 PM »
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I think we were the most color blind people on Earth at the time.

Soldiers are the most color blind people in the world. Once you've been in the shit with someone, it doesn't fucking matter what kind of clay the other dude is made of, he's your brother.

Other than that, gamers did rank pretty high on that list, since most people who were gamers in the late 70s, early 80s, heck all the way to the early 2000s, were outcasts (with exceptions here and there of course).

Make no mistake, the same fuckers who hated your guts back then still hate your guts right now, except now you have purchasing power enough to turn heads and force them to deal with you as if they had been your friends all along.
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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2019, 01:09:39 PM »
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Soldiers are the most color blind people in the world. Once you've been in the shit with someone, it doesn't fucking matter what kind of clay the other dude is made of, he's your brother.

Other than that, gamers did rank pretty high on that list, since most people who were gamers in the late 70s, early 80s, heck all the way to the early 2000s, were outcasts (with exceptions here and there of course).

Make no mistake, the same fuckers who hated your guts back then still hate your guts right now, except now you have purchasing power enough to turn heads and force them to deal with you as if they had been your friends all along.

I wasn't trying to be literal, but yeah. I'd buy that soldiers are highest on that list.

When it come to the same people still hating me, not only did I grow up and achieve a certain level of success that makes some people pay attention - I also, you know, grew up! In my 40's I couldn't possibly give any fewer fucks about who doesn't like me.
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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2019, 01:19:36 PM »
I have a rule regarding gaming with direct family members. I simply don't.

In my case, they wouldn't cooperate enough to let the GM do their job. And frankly, I found it an utter waste of time to try with them.

So gaming became my refuge. Away from them.
 

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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2019, 01:23:55 PM »
I don't like SJWs or any other extremists. They can keep their politics away from me and my gaming. My time of recreation is my own. And I frankly won't deal with them.

I will treat them like any other disruptive player. And show them the door.
 

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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2019, 02:24:11 PM »
I have no experience in playing rpgs with transsexuals or homosexuals. I have always played with friends that I know very well. I'm also a bit homophobic and would feel uncomfortable if a guy in a skirt or leather cap with studs wanted to join our gaming group, to be honest.

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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2019, 03:04:17 PM »
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I have no experience in playing rpgs with transsexuals or homosexuals. I have always played with friends that I know very well. I'm also a bit homophobic and would feel uncomfortable if a guy in a skirt or leather cap with studs wanted to join our gaming group, to be honest.


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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2019, 04:23:21 PM »
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Soldiers are the most color blind people in the world. Once you've been in the shit with someone, it doesn't fucking matter what kind of clay the other dude is made of, he's your brother.

Other than that, gamers did rank pretty high on that list, since most people who were gamers in the late 70s, early 80s, heck all the way to the early 2000s, were outcasts (with exceptions here and there of course).

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I wasn't trying to be literal, but yeah. I'd buy that soldiers are highest on that list.

In my experience, a lot of military men were also gamers of one kind or another.
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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2019, 04:31:27 PM »
I can easily remember gaming with people who were non-white when I first began, but there weren't a lot of them. I can easily remember gaming with women when I first began, but there weren't a lot of them either (and they all seemed to be hooked on Dragonlance).

I can't easily say that I gamed with gays or trans when I first began because most of the time a person's sexual or gender preferences never came up between Players in gaming. We were all there to play tabletop RPGs, not compare whose genitals we preferred (Those conversations were usually reserved for The Rocky Horror Picture Show crowd).
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2019, 04:43:53 PM »
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I have no experience in playing rpgs with transsexuals or homosexuals. I have always played with friends that I know very well. I'm also a bit homophobic and would feel uncomfortable if a guy in a skirt or leather cap with studs wanted to join our gaming group, to be honest.

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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2019, 04:58:35 PM »
I have never experienced any group in which we ever screened people based on gender or sexuality, or even screened any specific group of people at all aside from people whose playstyles did not mesh with our own which usually happened after weeks of play and discovering we did not mesh anyway (and it was generally a mutual separation); it was not due to skin color or sex even remotely, we did not even take those into account ever. It was simply who was willing to become engaged in the games we were playing. In my admittedly anecdotal experience, such a gatekeeping incident has never occurred or existed. Almost all of my groups have had women and gay people regularly participate in them including a best friend from my grade school days (as well, my brother is gay and he has been in my longest-run campaigns and is my most dedicated player by far), several groups have been female dominated in terms of pure population, we have also had several autistic people attend our campaigns. The most entertaining player I've ever had was Mexican; he was also a competent GM and even published his own roleplaying game after his friends and I helped him playtest it and supplied some art. In my opinion this entire theory and movement is bullshit.
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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2019, 05:41:51 PM »
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When it come to the same people still hating me, not only did I grow up and achieve a certain level of success that makes some people pay attention - I also, you know, grew up! In my 40's I couldn't possibly give any fewer fucks about who doesn't like me.

Paraphrasing Trotsky, of all people, you may not give any fucks about them, but they give some fucks about you.

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