Rob Schwalb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Schwalb) is a well known quality designer, writing for D&D, WFRP2e and various other projects (Black Company, Freeport, SIFRP).
He's kickstarting his first RPG called Shadow of the Demon Lord (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/432417423/shadow-of-the-demon-lord). Its seems to take a lot of the vibe from WFRP2e into a dark D&D like setting for fast play games of wicked fun and grim fantasy.
The game has been floating around the US Con scene for a while. Has anyone had the chance to play it?
I got excited and then I saw it had lots of "easy to play" and "low prep" .
Ease and speed of play seem to be two of its selling points. Its designed for single session play and games up to 10 to 12 sessions. I expect that is partially because PCs are likely to go insane and get maimed during play :)
The $66 price tag has me in the Meh Zone, but I would enjoy trying the game out a convention.
Quote from: Spinachcat;819823The $66 price tag has me in the Meh Zone, but I would enjoy trying the game out a convention.
$24 for the pdf, but I take your point.
With Kickstarter, when in doubt, wait for retail. And he's funded already anyway, so freeloading is an option.
I watched the Kickstarter video and thought what a completely lame, stereotypical, derivative, uninspiring setting idea. The system might be interesting, but the associated fluff just sounds blah to me. I wish him luck though.
Diablo called...
Has an RPG ever advertised itself as "Hard to play" or "Requires a lot of prep"?
Eh. He's a decent adventure writer, so more power to him.
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;819902Diablo called...
This, right here.
There is no justification for this to exist as its own game. You can, and folks have, run it with straight D&D for decades. In addition to Blizzard's three Diablo games, we have
Path of Exile, the Sacred series, and a few more that also hit this vein (most recent being
Darkest Dungeon). Making this is hubris, nothing more, and should not be encouraged.
I am so goddamn glad this place exists to tell us what should and should not be allowed to be a game.
Quote from: Tommy Brownell;819937I am so goddamn glad this place exists to tell us what should and should not be allowed to be a game.
Ha. In many ways, this forum is great as a reverse sounding board :)
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;819924This, right here.
There is no justification for this to exist as its own game. You can, and folks have, run it with straight D&D for decades. In addition to Blizzard's three Diablo games, we have Path of Exile, the Sacred series, and a few more that also hit this vein (most recent being Darkest Dungeon). Making this is hubris, nothing more, and should not be encouraged.
Hey now... Don't you ever compare Darkest Dungeon to that schlock... Darkest Dungeon is 1000 times the game and is NOT a Diablo clone...
Watched the video. Sounds like he just redid the Warhammer fantasy setting circa '87.
Edit: Read the FAQ: Sounds like he just lifted the dice mechanic from Warhammer Fantasy 3rd edition.
The sample pages make this like like another D&D-esque atypical class-level fantasy RPG system.
I'm really not seeing anything original here.
Original? I will settle for it just being fun, fast and well done :)
It stood out to me as a traditional RPG specifically designed for one off (even with higher level PCs) and short term play. Such design focus generally seems to be the province of "indie" RPGs.
Ugh, I hate the whole dethklok geek culture/metal culture crossover.
But yeah, I think there's a niche for a Dungeons & Diablo system/setting.
There are screes of information about the game at: http://schwalbentertainment.com/news/, for those looking for it. I didn't find that on my first look at the site.
Mechanics chapter is up: http://schwalbentertainment.com/2015/03/17/kickstarter-dice-and-the-demon-lord/
Rob Schwalb writes damn fine mechanics as seen in WFRP2e, D&D5e and SIFRP. It is simplified without being simple. Everything feels like it has even weight with no overlap. There is no mechanics left hanging or feeling undercooked. There are no silly names or bizarre ideas.
The way classes and paths work looks cool too. Taking the fun of WFRP's careers yet making them less finicky and more like D&D classes. I am looking forward to what looks like an amalgam of D&D + WFRP + Diablo.
Insanity and Corruption chapter is now up: http://schwalbentertainment.com/2015/03/18/kickstarter-insanity-and-corruption/
Looks like a fun and simple version of both from WFRP, with a chance at some real detriment but not so much to make the PC unplayable.
Quote from: JeremyR;819923Has an RPG ever advertised itself as "Hard to play" or "Requires a lot of prep"?
I'd buy one if it did.
Just to support honesty.
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;819902Diablo called...
Meh, I like Diablo.
Quote from: JeremyR;819923Has an RPG ever advertised itself as "Hard to play" or "Requires a lot of prep"?
That will be the selling points for my fantasy heartbreaker :).
Combat rules are up: http://schwalbentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/03_Combat1.pdf
Its like D&D5e lite, with some notable modifications:
1. No dice based initiative. Instead PCs go first. There are Fast Turns and then Slow Turns. Fast Turns allow ranged attacks to go off before melee attacks against opponents not in melee, as well as other desperate actions.
2. No Critical Hits. Each of the 4 novice paths has a different effect on a d20. Warriors do more damage, Rogues get extra actions, Priests grants boons for others to hit the target, and Magicians get an effect based on attack spell used.
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;819976Hey now... Don't you ever compare Darkest Dungeon to that schlock... Darkest Dungeon is 1000 times the game and is NOT a Diablo clone...
I thought the art for DD looked interesting... dark and gritty... but after watching some gameplay videos it seems like it isn't much but one turn-based fight after another, combined with min-maxed widget fiddling.
Is this new RPG the same? IE really more of a skirmish wargame with some character progression bits?
Not that I don't enjoy skirmish games, especially when they have a touch of RPG flavor to them (as with more recent Two Hour Wargames offerings)
Quote from: Planet Algol;820158Ugh, I hate the whole dethklok geek culture/metal culture crossover.
I freaking love it!
This sounds like the game to run Gloryhammer!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlhQZFTvAn4
Skywalker, thank you very much for linking to the previews.
What I don't understand is WHAT'S THE SPECIAL BITS?
Maybe its because I'm not the audience. I've got fast/easy RPGs and I have WFRP 1e, but maybe Shadow of the Demon Lord is for people who want a Warhammer/OD&D hybrid.
Things that attracted my attention:
- The quality of the mechanics is high. They are clean and engaging.
- It focuses on one off and short term play, which is unusual in traditional RPGs. It looks great for one shots or telling an entire campaign in 11 sessions.
- It looks fast and easy to run and play, yet still having depth. I love the random PC creation system to play unlevelled PCs, but also jump right in with powerful PCs too.
- It's designed specifically for horror fantasy. Insanity and Corruption look darkly fun without being debilitating.
- I like the path system. It takes the best of D&D's class system and WFRP's career system.
Its not necessarily that there is something new or innovative here. But it looks like a solid offering that improves on and combines a bunch of things I already really like from WFRP, D&D and elsewhere.
I like the look of this game quite a bit. The kickstarter page doesn't make it clear, but the designer's site does that the game is not just a D&D heartbreaker. It has six things I really like.
1.) Gunpowder, clockwork, and unique races are part of the game and being a gunslinger is a thing. Races are not Tolkein but goblin, joetun (half-giant), and clockwork.
2.) The GM sets the dial for the demon lord and what his shadow is. Want Midnight with evil demons that already won? That works. Want to start just as the ending of the world begins? Go for it. Want Walking Dead zombie ending the world? Do that.
3.) The players can learn as they go. One new major mechanic comes in at character creation and each level. So a player literally doesn't have to study to make a character that starts at level 0.
4.) About fourteen adventures are included so far. Each is four to five pages long and supposed to cover 4 to 5 hours of play. That is a lot of adventures from a variety of well known RPG writers. So far that's over 50 hours of gaming adventures in PDF form.
5.) 16 page setting expansions are being added as the kickstarter grows. A twisted Faerie world, Hell, and other locations expand the setting while still allowing GM freedom to tinker. So a lot of ideas there.
6.) I like the marketing of it's metal and fun. But the mechanics are solid, it is written, and it is playtested.
There is also a lot of fiction, but I don't care about that so much.
Also, an RPG in which you play a slightly deranged and morally bankrupt clockwork gunslinger magician who used to be a slave on a galley and now kills zombies as the world's last days plays out while The Mob Rules plays in the background is good for the hobby.
Quote from: Kravell;821070Also, an RPG in which you play a slightly deranged and morally bankrupt clockwork gunslinger magician who used to be a slave on a galley and now kills zombies as the world's last days plays out while The Mob Rules plays in the background is good for the hobby.
How is that any different from Rifts?
There's an extensive interview here: http://therpgacademy.com/table-topics-episode-73-shadow-of-the-demon-lord-interview-with-robert-j-schwalb/
I think it's too expensive... but then, given how well the kickstarter is doing, this is not a common opinion. But that's cool.
I wish him good luck with it, and I'll keep an eye out for a GM's day sale or the like to try the game with.
Quote from: Brad;821072How is that any different from Rifts?
Different stories, different characters, different author, different game system which from what I've seen I'll like better, different decade, full color, has a demon lord. And in my case different players in a different city.
Rifts is one thing and fun. Shadows of the Demon Lord is another similar but different thing which hopefully will also be fun.
Another way to look at is how is OD&D different from RuneQuest? Or AD&D from Warhammer FRP? Or Lord of the Rings from Game of Thrones? And can some people like one, some another, and some all of them? And if one is successful, does that increase the chance, even if someone doesn't like that particular successful one, that more RPGs or novels or TV/movies will get made that are similar that some more people will like? And maybe attract new people who may not have been interested before?
That's why it's good is the game is successful and delivers what it promises.
Quote from: Skywalker;821036Its not necessarily that there is something new or innovative here. But it looks like a solid offering that improves on and combines a bunch of things I already really like from WFRP, D&D and elsewhere.
I think you nailed it.
So we have 9 adventures, all from big names in the industry, and we are looking likely to hit a 224 page rulebook in the next week. This was helped along by a public shout by a black metal band :)
I am also looking forward to the Cults of the Empire setting PDF at $65k, as it just screams WFRP 2e like goodness.
Quote from: jcfiala;821084I think it's too expensive... but then, given how well the kickstarter is doing, this is not a common opinion.
I was very reluctant to back this KS for the same reason, I found the price to be too high ($70+ for the full digital package is too much for me)... but then I realized that most of the stretch goal PDFs so far are adventures, which I don't use, so I decided to back at the $24 level to get the core + the enhancement PDF. Maybe if they make stretch goal PDFs as add-ons I may up my pledge to pick one I like.
In the end, despite the pricing, I decided the game was too interesting for me to miss it.
Hey Rob, if you're reading this hit me up with an e-mail and maybe we can get a brief q&a going to post up on the site?
OHT, do you want me to message Rob via KS with your request?
Quote from: Skywalker;821428OHT, do you want me to message Rob via KS with your request?
Sure, that would be great. He should have my e-mail address from back in the day, but just in case i'll PM you my current address. :)
Rob has kindly agreed to answer some questions for us, so post to this thread any questions you'd like me to ask him about this project or maybe his design work in general and i'll be e-mailing him the good ones.
I'm curious about what are the plans for the game beyond the corebook and the stretch goals unlocked by the KS.
Will the 5 adventures in Tales of the Demon Lord have any narrative connection? Or are they separate?
Quote from: JeremyR;819923Has an RPG ever advertised itself as "Hard to play" or "Requires a lot of prep"?
Rolemaster.
Question for Rob Schwalb: how do you justify the price point? Especially for the PDF?
I've heard the argument about authors needing to be paid for content, but these price points don't exist for novels, even glossy graphic novels, and your PDF prices appear quite out of sync with fiction PDF prices.
Maybe I am very wrong, but I get the sense with this Kickstarter and the Mutant Chronicles launch that RPG publishers are just making coffee table art books for the collector crowd.
But hey, if the market will bear the price, what do I know?
In terms of value, its worth pointing out that the KS, at the current rate, looks set to provide a 256+ page full colour hardcover, 48 page companion PDF, 64+ pages of setting PDFs, 64+ pages of adventure PDFs. That's leaving aside any fiction and the QuickStart PDF.
The starting point was low given the stretch goals and in particular the novel concept of achievements, but IMO the KS will reach comparable value to other "all in one bundle" KSs YMMV
Quote from: JeremyR;819923Has an RPG ever advertised itself as "Hard to play" or "Requires a lot of prep"?
I'm pretty sure thats what "realistic rules" was code for in the 90s. At least if Phoenix Command was anything to go by...
Quote from: Skywalker;821674In terms of value, its worth pointing out that the KS, at the current rate, looks set to provide a 256+ page full colour hardcover, 48 page companion PDF, 64+ pages of setting PDFs, 64+ pages of adventure PDFs. That's leaving aside any fiction and the QuickStart PDF.
And to get all those in pdf is $72, if I'm reading the kickstarter right, because that's the lowest pdf level to get the stretch goals.
And currently the book's only at 160 pages.
You can get that core book for $24 as a pdf, but I agree - seems pricey to me. And it's $66 to get the core book as a physical book - which still seems pretty damn pricy to me even if the book does reach 256 pages.
Numenera costs $60 (ignoring Amazon for the moment), and that sucker's over 400 pages.
Quote from: jcfiala;821721And to get all those in pdf is $72, if I'm reading the kickstarter right, because that's the lowest pdf level to get the stretch goals.
TBH I didn't look at the PDF only levels. I was talking about the $90 level that gets you the book (with a $10 shipping credit). I agree that the $72 PDF level is overly expensive.
Quote from: jcfiala;821721And currently the book's only at 160 pages.
The KS is $6,000 and 1 achievement off being 224 pages.
And, by all estimates, hitting $100k to get to 256 pages is almost a certainty at this point. Its not like you can't withdraw your pledge if it didn't reach that level.
Quote from: jcfiala;821721And it's $66 to get the core book as a physical book - which still seems pretty damn pricy to me even if the book does reach 256 pages.
That $66 includes $10 shipping, 24 pages of adventure PDFs, and the 36 page Starter Guide PDF.
With all that, I am guessing the corebook by itself will retail at $40 to 50.
FWIW I am not saying that people can't see the KS as not providing enough value for $. In fact, I think the KS did a number of things to create a perception that the value is lower than it is. The most obvious ones are including a shipping credit in the pledge tiers and setting the page count so low at the start with both stretch goals and achievements to increase it. On saying that, the achievements idea is new and a pretty cool one IMO, so I am willing to see past it for what it is.
However, if look a little further, I think the value is comparable (leaving the $72 tier aside).
All the "Story Pack" pdfs are 3 single-session adventures. With the listed expectation of "Stories are short, covering about one page per hour of expected play." those are 12-page pdfs probably.
All the Setting Expansion pdfs are 16 pages.
This is definitely a "wait until the last minute to see if all the goals amount to anything worthwhile" because currently this thing is a Frog-God level money grab at a twentieth the average Frog God page count.
Quote from: Skywalker;821777The KS is $6,000 and 1 achievement off being 224 pages.
Are we looking at the same page here? It's at $63,997 as I type this, and at $70,000 the stretch goals says "192 page full color hardback".
Quote from: Skywalker;821777And, by all estimates, hitting $100k to get to 256 pages is almost a certainty at this point. Its not like you can't withdraw your pledge if it didn't reach that level.
No, the stretch goals say that at $100k it'll be a 224 page hardback.
Quote from: Skywalker;821777That $66 includes $10 shipping, 24 pages of adventure PDFs, and the 36 page Starter Guide PDF.
With all that, I am guessing the corebook by itself will retail at $40 to 50.
Where are these 24 pages of adventure PDFs listed? I'm just seeing the ones in the stretch goals, and those shouldn't be given out unless you back at the $90 level.
Quote from: jcfiala;821796Are we looking at the same page here? It's at $63,997 as I type this, and at $70,000 the stretch goals says "192 page full color hardback".
At 20 achievements, the book increases by 32 pages. We are currently at 19 achievements.
This one of the perception things I mentioned. Many people just don't read far past the first few paragraphs on the KS page. Achievements were a novel idea, essentially easily achievable stretch goals not tied to funding. As such, it was a given that the book would be 32 pages larger than initially stated, plus everyone would get an extra adventure. But people just didn't see this as it was toward the bottom of the page.
Quote from: jcfiala;821796Where are these 24 pages of adventure PDFs listed? I'm just seeing the ones in the stretch goals, and those shouldn't be given out unless you back at the $90 level.
From halfway down the page:
QuoteTales of the Demon Lord is an approximately 22-page long PDF that includes five adventures for use with Shadow of the Demon Lord. The pack includes an adventure for starting characters, two stories for novice characters, one story for expert characters, and one for master characters.
There is also the free adventure from 10 achievements which should take it past 24 pages.
Oh and I missed that every backer at $24 or higher gets the 48 page Demon Lord Companion PDF too. So, $66 gets you:
- 224 page hardcover rulebook (highly likely to be 256 pages);
- 48 page Demon Lord Companion PDF
- 24 pages of adventures PDF
- 36 page Start Guide PDF
- $10 shipping
Quote from: Skywalker;821800At 20 achievements, the book increases by 32 pages. We are currently at 19 achievements.
This one of the perception things I mentioned. Many people just don't read far past the first few paragraphs on the KS page. Achievements were a novel idea, essentially easily achievable stretch goals not tied to funding. As such, it was a given that the book would be 32 pages larger than initially stated, plus everyone would get an extra adventure. But people just didn't see this.
Huh. I'm not used to achivements. My bad. That said, it looks like most of the low-hanging fruit of achievements have already been hit.
Quote from: Skywalker;821800From halfway down the page:
Tales of the Demon Lord...
There is also the free adventure from 10 achievements.
Again, I didn't see the bit about achievements. And from the title I assumed "Tales of the Demon Lord" was a book of short stories. Boy, this isn't an easy kickstarter to back unless you really read over every little bit. :)
Quote from: Skywalker;821800And I missed that every backer at $24 or higher gets the 48 page Demon Lord Companion PDF too.
Fair enough. Looks like you've got a much better handle on the kickstarter than I do.
That said, I still think it's too expensive. But that's fine - they're obviously collecting lots of backers who don't think it's too expensive, and after the kickstarter is over I can wait and see how and for how much the books and pdfs are put up for sale and pick it up then.
Quote from: jcfiala;821807Huh. I'm not used to achivements. My bad. That said, it looks like most of the low-hanging fruit of achievements have already been hit.
Yep, they are a novel idea. I hope we see them more.
We only need 1 more achievement. We have 4 out of 5 videos of Demon Lord Pledges and Gary Con should wrap up the DL T-Shirt pics. Regardless of those, 1,000 backers is a given at this stage, as is 500 Twitter followers.
30 achievements is never going to happen though on the current numbers.
Quote from: jcfiala;821807That said, I still think it's too expensive. But that's fine - they're obviously collecting lots of backers who don't think it's too expensive, and after the kickstarter is over I can wait and see how and for how much the books and pdfs are put up for sale and pick it up then.
That's cool. There are definitely perception issues regarding value with this KS that I think could have been done better.
More information on paths: http://schwalbentertainment.com/2015/03/23/kickstarter-choose-your-path/
And on spells: http://schwalbentertainment.com/2015/03/24/kickstarter-traditions-spells/
Hot damn, those spells look awesome fun. I love Part Bones from Flesh:
QuotePart Bone from Flesh
Choose one living creature within medium range of you. If the target has a skeleton, make an Intellect attack roll against the target’s Strength score. On a success, the target takes 4d6 damage from the twisting and wrenching of its bones. If you rolled a 20 on the die, the target takes 2d6 extra damage.
If the damage incapacitates the target, it dies. The creature’s bones animate to become a skeleton that tears free from the flesh and attacks the nearest creature to it each round until it is destroyed.
Quote from: Skywalker;821812Hot damn, those spells look awesome fun. I love Part Bones from Flesh:
I gotta say, that is pretty metal.
There are also two page spread for the Novice Paths:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-smfKBS1yRv8/VQcoIH0QgsI/AAAAAAAACX0/85I6dzoxjug/w1215-h789-no/SotDL_spread_01.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dTuOvJaC1PQ/VRBPneahdLI/AAAAAAAACb0/zPDwkzUxoW0/w1217-h789-no/SotDL_spread_02.jpg)
Cults of the Empires unlocked, and in grand WFRP1e style Imperial Gnomes are added :D Takes me back to the day I bought that White Dwarf.
Next SG is the big one with hardcover and +32 pages.
Bah! :D All your optimism can't change one major flaw - you have to pledge $72 to get any Stretch Goals, which is the standard bread and butter Kickstarter measure of worth. (and that's without any physical product).
Rob shot himself in the foot a bit with all these achievements that while nice (and in some cases hilarious) are new and there's nowhere on the KS page where someone can get a roundup of $X = Y Product listing.
Achievements = Good Idea
Achievements not properly added into all KS levels so people can easily know exactly what they're getting = Good Idea Implemented Poorly.
Hell Luke, make up a list yourself, keep updating and send it to Rob so he can just paste it in.
Quote from: CRKrueger;822062Bah! :D All your optimism can't change one major flaw - you have to pledge $90 to get any Stretch Goals, which is the standard bread and butter Kickstarter measure of worth.
Mostly accurate ;) Those below $72 for PDF and $90 for Print have still received the following additional things as the funding rises:
1. Increases in the page count of the book;
2. The Demon Lord Companion PDF, which was 32 pages and is now 48 pages; and
3. The adventure from the achievements.
Quote from: CRKrueger;822062Rob shot himself in the foot a bit with all these achievements that while nice (and in some cases hilarious) are new and there's nowhere on the KS page where someone can get a roundup of $X = Y Product listing.
I agree that the KS has perception issues. Hopefully Rob's second KS will learn from this one.
But we still have over half the KS to go. After GaryCon, which Rob is attending, I expect we will see an update to the infographic as well as the various stretch goals split up as add-on options.
Quote from: CRKrueger;822062Achievements = Good Idea
Achievements not properly added into all KS levels so people can easily know exactly what they're getting = Good Idea Implemented Poorly.
Achievements do add to all KS levels.
Quote from: Skywalker;822069Achievements do add to all KS levels.
Right, but the problem is the KS Level says
"Follower of Demon Whoever" - you get a 180 page book.
not
"Follower of Demon Whoever" - you get a 180 page book (now expanded to 224 pages, plus a 48 page companion book thanks to Achievements)
Agree.
I messaged Rob and he will look into it. The tiers on the right can't be changed, but he is going to look at updating the infographic on the main page and the information there generally.
I'll have to say I'm probably going to pick this one up to take a look at it. It gives me a vibe of "take DCC, 5e, Grimtooth's Traps, and Dragon Age, toss them in a blender, mix in Skaven shrooms and freebase", which really is irresistable.
We had an inexplicable surge of interest overnight (GaryCon?) getting 70 new backers and over $5k. The book is now 192 pages hardcover :)
We also have 19 achievements and will hit 20 when we get 1,000 backers, 500 twitter followers or photos of DL shirts in public. That will make the book 224 pages.
CRKrueger: There has been an update on the main page showing the addition of the Companion and Achievement Adventure. Hopefully the page count will be updated shortly after its confirmed in each case.
I have found the culprit for the recent massive surge of interest: http://io9.com/shadow-of-the-demon-lord-is-an-rpg-made-by-all-stars-1692007191
The io9 surge has continued to almost $10k :eek: That's an amazing impact for one article. With the short story down at $75K, we have 6 adventures, the Hell supplement and 256 pages between now and $100k.
I'm not surprised to see the "I can do that with D&D" crowd poo-pooing this,as it seems that anything Not D&D automatically gets met with protestations of disbelief as to why someone might want to play a game that is not D&D.
This game is totally up my alley. Rules easy, dark and grim setting, minimalist mechanics with surprising depth. While I doubt this will supplant Tim Kirk's High Valor as my favorite system, it has a lot of interesting mechanics that intrigue me and make me want to play it.
Yes it's expensive, but I am in for a penny and a pound on this one. I think it'll be worth it. Your pocket book may vary.
$24
192 pages full color gamebook pdf just about to hit 224 pages
48 pages companion pdf
4 pages quick start adventure
name in the book as a backer
$48 as above
22 pages five adventures
$72 as $48 above
12+ pages 9 adventures soon to be 12 by Monte Cook, Shane Hensley, Bruce Cordell, Ken Hite and more
? pages 3 short stories
16 pages Tomb of Desolation setting expansion
16 pages Alfheim setting expansion
16 pages Cults of the Empire setting expansion
$90 as $72 above
224 pages hardcover full color gamebook
$10 shipping credit
$102 as $90 above
4 pages pdf Kickstarter adventure
? pages pdf Disciple of the Demon expert path
Here's some info from the playtest:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?379405-Shadow-of-the-Demon-Lord-(Robert-Schwalb-s-Dark-Fantasy-RPG) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?379405-Shadow-of-the-Demon-Lord-(Robert-Schwalb-s-Dark-Fantasy-RPG))
The horned ogre looks interesting. Causes fear, more in big groups, eats small creatures, and has a vomit attack.
We are officially at a 224 page hardcover, with 256 pages coming up. The Demon Lord Companion is at 48 pages and Tales of the Demon Lord has been increased to 48 pages. Along with the SG adventures, setting book adventures and achievement adventure, that's around 28 adventures! There are four setting PDFs too, with a fifth and the post-apocalyptic setting after $100k.
You can now add categories of SGs as add-ons. As predicted, the existing bundles are cheaper, unless you wanted the settings and no adventures or vice versa.
Less than 4 days to go and the book is now 256 pages with a 48 page companion PDF.
We also look set to hit the 64 page supplement presenting an alternate postapocalyptic setting (which is addition to the 96 pages of additional setting material at $125k).
If we hit $130k, we will get over 40 adventures :D
The post-apocalyptic setting sounds interesting.
With Mad Max Fury Road about to come out, it is a cool book. And hopefully it will fuel a further surge with the print Add-On.
Shadow of the Demon Lord Q&A tonight, 7:00 p.m. CST!
To join: http://tinyurl.com/rpgnetchat
Log to be posted at http://gmshoe.wordpress.com/
:D
Quote from: Skywalker;824835With Mad Max Fury Road about to come out, it is a cool book. And hopefully it will fuel a further surge with the print Add-On.
I'd actually be much more interested in that book as a standalone game. I don't need another Warhammer, but I would buy a Mad Max Diablo crossover.