Satine & Stone are Naughty

zircher · June 17, 2022, 03:10:49 PM

Politics aside, I can see adding Mike Pondsmith, Eric Wujcik, and John Wick to that list as creative and influential people for me in the RPG hobby.

Zalman · June 17, 2022, 03:13:24 PM

Quote from: SHARK on June 17, 2022, 12:55:19 PM
Greetings!

What the hell are these "D&D Celebrities" celebrated for? And by whom?

I have never heard of any of them. More pointedly, I have never heard of *any* of the D&D game products they have written or created.

James Raggi of LOTFP I know of. Kobold Press. Frog God Games. Baizu. And, of course, WOTC.

Even some of the smaller talents--whether Pundit, Zak, Venger, Melan, the Yon Suin book, (I think)--have all made interesting and good contributions that are highlighted for quality and solid creativity.

Who the fuck are these other people that are talked about? They sound like nobodies to me.

As for the Interwebs fame, I know well of WEB DM, The Dungeon Dudes, Dungeoncraft by Professor Dungeon Master, the gang at Legion of Myth, and a few others. These content creators actually create content, play D&D, and engage in extensive commentary and discussion about D&D. Strange how if someone was to be hailed as a "celebrity' it would be someone like them--but I never hear of them mentioned or even considered as being "D&D Celebrities". In truth, they all seem far too grounded and unpretentious so as to prefer to eschew any such dubious accolade from anyone, which I can certainly appreciate. This group is definitely not about "celebrity" but about gaming and D&D.

This Satine Phoenix girl sounds like a fucking trainwreck, just like all of her friends and everyone else who hangs out with her. Her husband? *Laughing* Yeah, he sounds like a real winner, too.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings!

What SHARK said.

Semper Facetus,

Zal

Armchair Gamer · June 17, 2022, 04:25:42 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 17, 2022, 02:11:50 PM

Larry Elmore, Michael Stackpole, and Gary Gygax are the only three that spring to mind immediately for me.

Aaron Allston comes to mind from the second tier, and he might have broken out had he lived longer.

That's also where I'd place Ken Hite; Ed Greenwood and Tracy Hickman probably qualify a step above them. (Weis started as a fiction editor, so I'm not sure she can count as someone who started in gaming.

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amacris · June 17, 2022, 10:02:18 PM

Quote from: zircher on June 17, 2022, 03:10:49 PM
Politics aside, I can see adding Mike Pondsmith, Eric Wujcik, and John Wick to that list as creative and influential people for me in the RPG hobby.

The people who've been most influential to me are:

Gary Gygax, David "Zeb" Cook, Frank Mentzer (TSR)
Steve Jackson (SJG)
Greg Gorden (Mayfair)
Greg Costikyan (West End Games)
Mike Pondsmith (R Talsorian)
Jonathan Tweet, Mark Rein-Hagen (Lion Rampant/WW)
Kevin Sembieda and Eric Wujcik (Palladium)
Jordan Weisman (FASA, Heroclix)

tenbones · June 18, 2022, 09:22:42 AM

Quote from: amacris on June 17, 2022, 10:02:18 PM
Quote from: zircher on June 17, 2022, 03:10:49 PM
Politics aside, I can see adding Mike Pondsmith, Eric Wujcik, and John Wick to that list as creative and influential people for me in the RPG hobby.

The people who've been most influential to me are:

Gary Gygax, David "Zeb" Cook, Frank Mentzer (TSR)
Steve Jackson (SJG)
Greg Gorden (Mayfair)
Greg Costikyan (West End Games)
Mike Pondsmith (R Talsorian)
Jonathan Tweet, Mark Rein-Hagen (Lion Rampant/WW)
Kevin Sembieda and Eric Wujcik (Palladium)
Jordan Weisman (FASA, Heroclix)

That's a solid list.

If I had to put a top 5 for me it would be (in order).

Gygax (obviously)
Mike Pondsmith
Jeff Grubb
Kevin Siembieda
Steve Secchi

(but if I extended it to further, it would look awfully close to yours.)

The problem with these "celebrities" in RPG is that they're so obviously needy of the cult of worship from people I consider hobby-tourists, that they've co-opted the hobby for their own narcissistic ends without contributing much that I find useful or important.

RandyB · June 18, 2022, 09:57:51 AM

Quote from: amacris on June 17, 2022, 10:02:18 PM
Quote from: zircher on June 17, 2022, 03:10:49 PM
Politics aside, I can see adding Mike Pondsmith, Eric Wujcik, and John Wick to that list as creative and influential people for me in the RPG hobby.

The people who've been most influential to me are:

Gary Gygax, David "Zeb" Cook, Frank Mentzer (TSR)
Steve Jackson (SJG)
Greg Gorden (Mayfair)
Greg Costikyan (West End Games)
Mike Pondsmith (R Talsorian)
Jonathan Tweet, Mark Rein-Hagen (Lion Rampant/WW)
Kevin Sembieda and Eric Wujcik (Palladium)
Jordan Weisman (FASA, Heroclix)

I'd add the GDW crew to that list for myself: Marc Miller et. al.

Eric Diaz · June 18, 2022, 10:24:59 AM

Same here... let's see.

Gygax, Arneson
Moldvay, Cook, Mentzer
Mike Pondsmith
Steve Jackson
Greg Costikian
Tweet, MRH

I'd probably add Robin Laws. And certainly Greg Stafford. Sandy Petersen. Sean Punch.

I didn't play much palladium or amber, unfortunately.

Cola · June 18, 2022, 01:14:02 PM

Quote from: SHARK on June 17, 2022, 12:55:19 PM
Greetings!

What the hell are these "D&D Celebrities" celebrated for? And by whom?

I have never heard of any of them. More pointedly, I have never heard of *any* of the D&D game products they have written or created.

James Raggi of LOTFP I know of. Kobold Press. Frog God Games. Baizu. And, of course, WOTC.

Even some of the smaller talents--whether Pundit, Zak, Venger, Melan, the Yon Suin book, (I think)--have all made interesting and good contributions that are highlighted for quality and solid creativity.

Who the fuck are these other people that are talked about? They sound like nobodies to me.

As for the Interwebs fame, I know well of WEB DM, The Dungeon Dudes, Dungeoncraft by Professor Dungeon Master, the gang at Legion of Myth, and a few others. These content creators actually create content, play D&D, and engage in extensive commentary and discussion about D&D. Strange how if someone was to be hailed as a "celebrity' it would be someone like them--but I never hear of them mentioned or even considered as being "D&D Celebrities". In truth, they all seem far too grounded and unpretentious so as to prefer to eschew any such dubious accolade from anyone, which I can certainly appreciate. This group is definitely not about "celebrity" but about gaming and D&D.

This Satine Phoenix girl sounds like a fucking trainwreck, just like all of her friends and everyone else who hangs out with her. Her husband? *Laughing* Yeah, he sounds like a real winner, too.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Thank you for saying this. I asked the same question on a different board and got crickets. When you opine about the wisdom of hiring an ex porn star to represent a game on the same site there is a lot of reee! Misogyny! But does this person even really know the rules?

Lastly, I appreciate your comments Shark. You have gotten a few genuine laughs out of me for what it is worth. Because pointing out real absurdity is just plain funny sometimes.

To echo you and Pundit: is this even about gaming?

amacris · June 18, 2022, 05:14:51 PM

How could I forget Marc Miller and Jeff Grubb? Yes they both need to go on my list.

Greg Stafford, Robin Laws, and Sandy Petersen are all deserving of accolades though not hugely influential on me personally.

I'm not familiar with Steve Secchi, what has his work been on?.

tenbones · June 19, 2022, 05:15:03 AM

Quote from: amacris on June 18, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
How could I forget Marc Miller and Jeff Grubb? Yes they both need to go on my list.

Greg Stafford, Robin Laws, and Sandy Petersen are all deserving of accolades though not hugely influential on me personally.

I'm not familiar with Steve Secchi, what has his work been on?.

Steve Secchi created Talislanta's system (and setting) - still one of the best designs ever. It still greatly informs my own ideas of game design mechanics. While yes, it still has no Elves, it remains the Red Headed Step-child of TTRPG's and will always be the game everyone says they wish they played but can't convince anyone to play it with them.

Setting aside - the system itself is *ridiculously* good.

Battlemaster · June 19, 2022, 07:15:13 AM

Quote from: SHARK on June 17, 2022, 12:55:19 PM
Greetings!

What the hell are these "D&D Celebrities" celebrated for? And by whom?

I have never heard of any of them. More pointedly, I have never heard of *any* of the D&D game products they have written or created.

James Raggi of LOTFP I know of. Kobold Press. Frog God Games. Baizu. And, of course, WOTC.

Even some of the smaller talents--whether Pundit, Zak, Venger, Melan, the Yon Suin book, (I think)--have all made interesting and good contributions that are highlighted for quality and solid creativity.

Who the fuck are these other people that are talked about? They sound like nobodies to me.

As for the Interwebs fame, I know well of WEB DM, The Dungeon Dudes, Dungeoncraft by Professor Dungeon Master, the gang at Legion of Myth, and a few others. These content creators actually create content, play D&D, and engage in extensive commentary and discussion about D&D. Strange how if someone was to be hailed as a "celebrity' it would be someone like them--but I never hear of them mentioned or even considered as being "D&D Celebrities". In truth, they all seem far too grounded and unpretentious so as to prefer to eschew any such dubious accolade from anyone, which I can certainly appreciate. This group is definitely not about "celebrity" but about gaming and D&D.

This Satine Phoenix girl sounds like a fucking trainwreck, just like all of her friends and everyone else who hangs out with her. Her husband? *Laughing* Yeah, he sounds like a real winner, too.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I guess it had to happen.

You posted something I completly agreed with and had to respect you for.

Now that I'm done vomiting I'll say that this satine woman looks sorta hot in a cheap, vulgar, over make upped, over tattooed, under dressed sort of way. I think she has more porcelain in her mouth than my bathroom. She looks like a piece of 100% USDA certified fuckmeat, not much more.

I suspect that's the source of her """fame""" in the RPG community.

Since folks here are listing their rpg "celebs" I'll toss Marc Miller's name out there.

SHARK · June 19, 2022, 07:52:01 AM

Quote from: Zalman on June 17, 2022, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 17, 2022, 12:55:19 PM
Greetings!

What the hell are these "D&D Celebrities" celebrated for? And by whom?

I have never heard of any of them. More pointedly, I have never heard of *any* of the D&D game products they have written or created.

James Raggi of LOTFP I know of. Kobold Press. Frog God Games. Baizu. And, of course, WOTC.

Even some of the smaller talents--whether Pundit, Zak, Venger, Melan, the Yon Suin book, (I think)--have all made interesting and good contributions that are highlighted for quality and solid creativity.

Who the fuck are these other people that are talked about? They sound like nobodies to me.

As for the Interwebs fame, I know well of WEB DM, The Dungeon Dudes, Dungeoncraft by Professor Dungeon Master, the gang at Legion of Myth, and a few others. These content creators actually create content, play D&D, and engage in extensive commentary and discussion about D&D. Strange how if someone was to be hailed as a "celebrity' it would be someone like them--but I never hear of them mentioned or even considered as being "D&D Celebrities". In truth, they all seem far too grounded and unpretentious so as to prefer to eschew any such dubious accolade from anyone, which I can certainly appreciate. This group is definitely not about "celebrity" but about gaming and D&D.

This Satine Phoenix girl sounds like a fucking trainwreck, just like all of her friends and everyone else who hangs out with her. Her husband? *Laughing* Yeah, he sounds like a real winner, too.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Greetings!

What SHARK said.

Semper Facetus,

Zal

Greetings!

Thank you, Zal!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Rob Necronomicon · June 19, 2022, 08:00:41 AM

It's really our fault for elevating these nobodies in the first place... If they believe they are rock stars then they start acting like the divas they aren't.

SHARK · June 19, 2022, 08:01:09 AM

Quote from: Dapig on June 18, 2022, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 17, 2022, 12:55:19 PM
Greetings!

What the hell are these "D&D Celebrities" celebrated for? And by whom?

I have never heard of any of them. More pointedly, I have never heard of *any* of the D&D game products they have written or created.

James Raggi of LOTFP I know of. Kobold Press. Frog God Games. Baizu. And, of course, WOTC.

Even some of the smaller talents--whether Pundit, Zak, Venger, Melan, the Yon Suin book, (I think)--have all made interesting and good contributions that are highlighted for quality and solid creativity.

Who the fuck are these other people that are talked about? They sound like nobodies to me.

As for the Interwebs fame, I know well of WEB DM, The Dungeon Dudes, Dungeoncraft by Professor Dungeon Master, the gang at Legion of Myth, and a few others. These content creators actually create content, play D&D, and engage in extensive commentary and discussion about D&D. Strange how if someone was to be hailed as a "celebrity' it would be someone like them--but I never hear of them mentioned or even considered as being "D&D Celebrities". In truth, they all seem far too grounded and unpretentious so as to prefer to eschew any such dubious accolade from anyone, which I can certainly appreciate. This group is definitely not about "celebrity" but about gaming and D&D.

This Satine Phoenix girl sounds like a fucking trainwreck, just like all of her friends and everyone else who hangs out with her. Her husband? *Laughing* Yeah, he sounds like a real winner, too.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Thank you for saying this. I asked the same question on a different board and got crickets. When you opine about the wisdom of hiring an ex porn star to represent a game on the same site there is a lot of reee! Misogyny! But does this person even really know the rules?

Lastly, I appreciate your comments Shark. You have gotten a few genuine laughs out of me for what it is worth. Because pointing out real absurdity is just plain funny sometimes.

To echo you and Pundit: is this even about gaming?

Greetings!

Hi there, Dapig! Thank you, my friend!

Your story about crickets chirping and REEEing about "Misogyny!" at some other site is funny--and sad, too.

Indeed, this whole story here and the fake people involved, do seem so absurd. Lives full of REEEing, drama, and pretentious narcicism, and of course, the gaggle of alternating "Haters!" and done-wrong and cheated business associates, it all sounds like some bad soap-opera.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

SHARK · June 19, 2022, 08:07:11 AM

Quote from: tenbones on June 19, 2022, 05:15:03 AM
Quote from: amacris on June 18, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
How could I forget Marc Miller and Jeff Grubb? Yes they both need to go on my list.

Greg Stafford, Robin Laws, and Sandy Petersen are all deserving of accolades though not hugely influential on me personally.

I'm not familiar with Steve Secchi, what has his work been on?.

Steve Secchi created Talislanta's system (and setting) - still one of the best designs ever. It still greatly informs my own ideas of game design mechanics. While yes, it still has no Elves, it remains the Red Headed Step-child of TTRPG's and will always be the game everyone says they wish they played but can't convince anyone to play it with them.

Setting aside - the system itself is *ridiculously* good.

Greetings!

Hey Tenbones! Yes, I was just naming off the more recent or current people involved in gaming that I know of, in contrast to this other batch of drama queens.

Historically, indeed, you and Amacris have an excellent list of outstanding people. All skilled game designers, writers, game developers, and theory-crafters.

Poor Talislanta.

The lost stepchild of games!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK