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Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Settembrini on April 09, 2006, 09:12:52 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6HljzEXJvj8
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: BOZ on April 09, 2006, 01:21:49 PM
i think that link points to something else?
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: RPGPundit on April 09, 2006, 02:11:29 PM
Hehe brilliant, and flattering to be compared to Zappa (been a while since I'd seen footage of him, forgot just how excellent a human being he was).

At least, I hope to all fuck you were comparing me to Zappa and Curt to the other guy, and not the other way around.

Though there's also a bit of a disconnect in comparing Curt to a religious fundamentalist; but not as much as one would think. Its funny how in the extremes of the right and the left wing both groups start to think very much alike, in the idea that we must be protected from ourselves, it may be different things they want to protect us from (pornography vs. sugar, sex vs. smoking, dangerous books vs. jaywalking or not wearing seatbelts, etc etc) but the sentiment is precisely the same. Which is why guys like Curt can look like such hypocrites when someone suggests that say, decency laws should apply to gay pride marches, and he jumps up in arms about "censorship" even while he's advocating that guys who criticize Rebecca Borgstrom as a B-grade author need to be permabanned. He doesn't seem to get that the two are the same thing.

RPGPundit
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: shooting_dice on April 09, 2006, 08:48:33 PM
Quote from: SettembriniI got kicked off of RPG.net for organizing mass trolling from my own site, then using a sock puppet account to circumvent suspension. Wahh!

Fixed that for ya.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Settembrini on April 10, 2006, 02:02:38 AM
...I didn´t write the above quote.
I got kicked from RPGNet, cause I said borgstrom was a c-grade would be novelist. You are confusing me with AnimalBrasky and making up quotes. Which is either a humor I can´t understand, or just plain impolite.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Name Lips on April 10, 2006, 02:14:02 AM
Quote from: Settembrini...I didn´t write the above quote.
I got kicked from RPGNet, cause I said borgstrom was a c-grade would be novelist. You are confusing me with AnimalBrasky and making up quotes. Which is either a humor I can´t understand, or just plain impolite.
The "fixed it for you" humor is not for everybody. When it's done well, the change is minor, and turns what was said into an amusing statement that the quoter imagines the quotee was really thinking, or they change it from something false to what they think is true. This time, the quoter changed your entire post, instead of just a couple funny details, and I consider it a good example of a FAILED "fixed it for you" joke.

It's being overused on NTL, and seems to be spilling over into NKL...
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Settembrini on April 10, 2006, 02:31:21 AM
Especially as it is untrue. he could make fun of me for being angry about being banned. But I never did what was insinuated above. And stating untrue stuff is not funny. It´s just a lie. I did come back as a socket puppet, but neither did troll, nor did I violate any rules. I just advertised an Interview on my blog.
Look for yourselves:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=248561&page=100 (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=248561&page=100)
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: shooting_dice on April 10, 2006, 02:54:07 AM
Quote from: Name LipsThe "fixed it for you" humor is not for everybody.

Neither are personal attacks, which is the purpose of this thread, 'innit?
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: shooting_dice on April 10, 2006, 02:55:53 AM
Quote from: SettembriniEspecially as it is untrue. he could make fun of me for being angry about being banned. But I never did what was insinuated above. And stating untrue stuff is not funny. It´s just a lie. I did come back as a socket puppet, but neither did troll, nor did I violate any rules. I just advertised an Interview on my blog.
Look for yourselves:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=248561&page=100 (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=248561&page=100)

I apologise for confusing you with somebody else, but sock puppeting is an obviously justified reason to get spanked by RPG.net, especially since that act's entire purpose is to circumvent suspension.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Settembrini on April 10, 2006, 03:35:20 AM
My first ban was not about puppeteering. I don´t care for the permaban. The first ban was the laughable thing. Why would comparing Curt to a Washington Post Journalist constitute a PA?
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: RPGPundit on April 10, 2006, 05:22:34 AM
Quote from: shooting_diceI apologise for confusing you with somebody else, but sock puppeting is an obviously justified reason to get spanked by RPG.net, especially since that act's entire purpose is to circumvent suspension.

Take Eyebeamz' word for it; he knows a thing or two about getting permabanned from RPG.net himself.

RPGPundit
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Phantom Stranger on April 11, 2006, 02:07:27 PM
Quote from: Name LipsIt's being overused on NTL, and seems to be spilling over into NKL...
Much to the detriment of this place since it is neither funny nor that considerate.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Maddman on April 11, 2006, 02:32:32 PM
Dear RPGnet,

Please stop sending us your rejects.

Thanks,

The Boys and Girls at Nutkinland.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Sigmund on April 12, 2006, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: MaddmanDear RPGnet,

Please stop sending us your rejects.

Thanks,

The Boys and Girls at Nutkinland.

:lol:

I can't help it. That's pretty funny.

Kinda odd how these conflicts from other boards are popping up here...kinda like a rash. :grumpy:
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: BOZ on April 12, 2006, 01:34:15 PM
we can get some diaper cream?  :)
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Zalmoxis on April 12, 2006, 06:49:08 PM
I blame it all on Wrath of the Spaceport.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Settembrini on April 12, 2006, 07:30:00 PM
QuotePlease stop sending us your rejects.
Touchè:bow:

or, for eyewassis:

"You got me there"

Seriously, I never posted bigtime on RPGNet. i´m just a concerned customer who spoke up too loudly about freedom of speech. Thus I stepped on several feet, unknowingly. I confess: the pundits praise brought me here.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: BOZ on April 12, 2006, 09:57:49 PM
Quote from: ZalmoxisI blame it all on Wrath of the Spaceport.

damned Moogs!
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Lawbag on April 13, 2006, 04:04:58 AM
Quote from: MaddmanDear RPGnet,

Please stop sending us your rejects.

Thanks,

The Boys and Girls at Nutkinland.

Perma-Banned for voicing an opinion?
Your thoughts would be better served at the aforementioned RPG.net forum, as would your crass ill-attempt at a letter
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Maddman on April 13, 2006, 08:58:54 AM
Quote from: LawbagPerma-Banned for voicing an opinion?
Your thoughts would be better served at the aforementioned RPG.net forum, as would your crass ill-attempt at a letter

I'm sure your banning has to do with bravely voicing an opinion in the face of stern opposition, and has nothing to do with taking the internet to seriously and being a humorless prig.

:boohoo:
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Settembrini on April 13, 2006, 09:09:31 AM
Quotewith taking the internet to seriously and being a humorless

Well the RPGNet Mods take it too seriously. They don´t understand/like humor.
See, I got banned for disrespecting Borgstroms c-class drivel. I don´t see no "high-road", or taking stuff seriously on my side with that.
And the two guys that got banned for an April´s Fool?
Or AnimalBrasky?
I don´t see any humour on the Mod side there. Maybe in your universe, they are the cuddliest, wisest and coolest. So be it.But they never showed humour in their rulings.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Bagpuss on April 13, 2006, 09:18:32 AM
Thanks for the original link I'ld not seen that before.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Maddman on April 13, 2006, 09:27:51 AM
Quote from: SettembriniWell the RPGNet Mods take it too seriously. They don´t understand/like humor.
See, I got banned for disrespecting Borgstroms c-class drivel. I don´t see no "high-road", or taking stuff seriously on my side with that.
And the two guys that got banned for an April´s Fool?
Or AnimalBrasky?
I don´t see any humour on the Mod side there. Maybe in your universe, they are the cuddliest, wisest and coolest. So be it.But they never showed humour in their rulings.

Oh, RPGnet's moderation is pretty much random and arbitrary.  Can't argue that.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: JamesV on April 13, 2006, 10:14:55 AM
C'mon, if I want to read humorous axe grinding over RPGnet, I read the Pundit, which I do every day.
Here, I expect epic battles over the impact and value of Burning Wheel!

Let's go folks, time to develop an intractable opinion! I wanna see flashing blades and blood!
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Akrasia on April 14, 2006, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: MaddmanOh, RPGnet's moderation is pretty much random and arbitrary.  Can't argue that.

That's true, but I've never had any problems with it -- and I've expressed some relatively unpopular political views over there in Tangency.

Most of my conversations at RPGnet about games that I like -- WFRP, C&C, True20, Angel/Buffy, etc. -- have been very constructive and helpful.  The place also has its share of vehement d20 defenders, so I've never understood the claim that there is a general 'anti-d20 ethos' permeating the place.  (Though never: (a.) criticise Exalted; and (b.) compare the merits of JRRR Tolkien versus RE Howard.  The results are invariably ugly.  Ugh!)

I guess I've just been fortunate in missing all the heavy-handed censorship there?
:confused:
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Maddman on April 14, 2006, 10:37:45 AM
Quote from: AkrasiaThat's true, but I've never had any problems with it -- and I've expressed some relatively unpopular political views over there in Tangency.

Me neither.  I have a sneaking suspician that 'disrespecting Borgstrom's drivel' was seen as a personal attack on Rebecca, who is indeed a poster there.  And is forbidden.  Luckily, we have no such rule here.  :p
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Guest (Deleted) on April 16, 2006, 03:10:56 PM
Do we have any rules?

Why, it does seem we do..

Quote from: The CharterSpeak your mind here, without fear! Our administrators and moderators (also known as "Nutkins") aren't in the business of censoring what other people have to say. They will let you have total freedom to be yourself, but people who are consistently looking to start trouble while contributing nothing to the community will suffer the consequences. If you personally don't like a thread, then don't read it.

Starting a thread expressly for the purpose of making a personal attack is really playing with the part I bolded. Of course, the Nutkins and I are looking for trends of bad behavior, not necessarily isolated instances.  When consequences come I promise you they will be unique and fun. Banning?  There are more fun things to do :heh:
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Settembrini on April 16, 2006, 03:26:12 PM
Hey, where is the PA in this thread?
Curt does believe in "strong state"  policies, so that  the mods censor for the greater good. I don´t see any disrespect in comparing a person to a Washington Post journalist.
Especially as the videoclip is not biased or a purposeful lampoonation (neologism?) of the said journalist.

I might despise this line of thinking, but that doesn´t change the original unchanged and unbiased nature of the vid.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Gunhilda on April 16, 2006, 04:53:31 PM
Ahem.

We have no intention of moderating much.  But if a Nutkin says you are engaging in a personal attack and to watch your step, IT IS TRUTH.  This is not a democracy.  You don't get to decide what is what.  Mind your manners or you may wake up in a whorehouse in Slovakia with no pants on and your cock painted green.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Levi Kornelsen on April 16, 2006, 05:20:55 PM
*Sniff*

That was beautiful, Gunhilda.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Gunhilda on April 16, 2006, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: Levi Kornelsen*Sniff*

That was beautiful, Gunhilda.
Thank you.  I'll be here all week.  Try the veal and be sure to tip your waitress!
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: BOZ on April 16, 2006, 09:46:49 PM
but not too far, we don't want to pay her hospital bills!  :D
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Hreidmar on April 17, 2006, 12:47:57 AM
Quote from: GunhildaAhem.

We have no intention of moderating much.  But if a Nutkin says you are engaging in a personal attack and to watch your step, IT IS TRUTH.  This is not a democracy.  You don't get to decide what is what.  Mind your manners or you may wake up in a whorehouse in Slovakia with no pants on and your cock painted green.

And various Eastern European implements stuffed in your nether regions.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Thjalfi on April 17, 2006, 12:48:57 AM
Quote from: HreidmarAnd various Eastern European implements stuffed in your nether regions.

As well as various body parts of Lord Melkor.
Title: [RPGNet] MOD Curt and RPGPundit on televised discussion about freedom of speech
Post by: Settembrini on April 17, 2006, 04:26:51 AM
Well, wasn´t this to be the Daily Show of RPG Fora?
I´m seriously puzzled.
The daily show does stuff like this, don´t they? Showing clips and present them in another context.

*Fears misunderstanding Forum-Regulations. Again.*