Bigger Dragons, Bigger Giants, Bigger Dinosaurs, etc.  Ex: The "Adult" size Dragon figures being released, are larger than the Bahamut and Tiamat figures from a few years ago.

Do you think the Scale is going to Increase, across the board?

Gotta find a way to keep people buying product, I guess?

Start with 1/32 and you'll be ahead of the game.

Really, though the problem is that the  size of the details doesn't change.  6mm figures and 54mm figures have the same smallest detail limit.  With the competition to produce ever more detailed figures the size keeps creeping up.  It's a known issue.  Another factor is plastic, as things went to plastics, some of the technical limitations require bigger figures but the material costs also make larger figures viable.  Resin can cast fine details but it's brittle and works best in large blocks and so on.

Quote from: Jam The MF on July 31, 2021, 01:52:34 PM
Bigger Dragons, Bigger Giants, Bigger Dinosaurs, etc.  Ex: The "Adult" size Dragon figures being released, are larger than the Bahamut and Tiamat figures from a few years ago.

The switch from metal to plastic/resin has allowed much larger figures to be built and painting YouTubers prefer the larger figures because it allows them to add more detail. So, I think scale creep is inevitable.

And it will only get worse once 3D printing takes hold. The newer resin printers can print some gigantic miniatures. Such as these giant lizards:

The Frost Giant I purchased recently, is much larger than the Storm Giant and Fire Giant I purchased a couple of years ago.  I guess I could just throw them all into a single category called Giants, and be done with it?  Just flush the old lore, like WOTC is doing themselves....

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Quote from: Jam The MF on July 31, 2021, 01:52:34 PM
Bigger Dragons, Bigger Giants, Bigger Dinosaurs, etc.  Ex: The "Adult" size Dragon figures being released, are larger than the Bahamut and Tiamat figures from a few years ago.

The switch from metal to plastic/resin has allowed much larger figures to be built and painting YouTubers prefer the larger figures because it allows them to add more detail. So, I think scale creep is inevitable.

And it will only get worse once 3D printing takes hold. The newer resin printers can print some gigantic miniatures. Such as these giant lizards:

You say "worse" but those look pretty cool to me. Fucking badass dinos should be big!

I have been buying lots of 3D figures for my D&D setup, here lately.

I also picked up a Battle Grid, just to get the action up off of the same background I eat on every day.  Perhaps it will help with immersion?

I "hope" I can chill out now....

Scale creep has been a thing for a long time now in tabletop games.  I have 28mm minis, that should, by the name, be a skoshe taller than 25mm miniatures, but they tower over them like giants.

It's just a way to soak people for more money.  I'm looking at some dwarves that were given to me, they're from some also-ran wargame.  These are dwarves, mind you, and they tower over the Grenadier Dragon Warriors humans that I own.  It's fucking ridiculous.  The only "good" thing about "28mm modern" is that you can get a little more/better detail.

The scale of AD&D is 3 figures/10' (2") rank.  That's hardly possible now.  I blame WotC (for many, many ills...) for causing this.  The D&D Miniatures game uses a scale of 1" = 5', or 2 figures per 10' rank on the front-side of a square. 

You can thank Games Workshop for this. They have been inflating the "standard" size of miniatures for decades now to pack in overly elaborate details that are invisible if you put them on a gaming table. They even sell these overly elaborate bases that turns each miniature into a diorama. They look awful on tables but you see them all the time in matches that are posted on Youtube. Other manufacturers could try to resist, but GW is one of the largest miniatures companies out there and no one really has a chance.

Quote from: Flipped Bird on August 01, 2021, 08:40:34 AMYou can thank Games Workshop for this.

GW has taken it to a whole new level by scale creeping in the actual fluff. Originally, Space Marines were normal human sized (so much so that Dark Angel space marines hid out disguising themselves as normal people). Then SMs were 7' tall and now I think they are said to be 9' tall.

Only problem I see here is having older miniatures that now seem puny next to the newer ones.

Which is a problem for those who can afford to buy 3d miniatures, us broke players have to content with playing with 2d ones, so if I needed to upscale all my giants it would cost me cents on the dollar against your 3d versions.

Which makes it feasible for me but not so much for you.

Sucks to not be poor I guess?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 10:18:29 PM
Only problem I see here is having older miniatures that now seem puny next to the newer ones.

Which is a problem for those who can afford to buy 3d miniatures, us broke players have to content with playing with 2d ones, so if I needed to upscale all my giants it would cost me cents on the dollar against your 3d versions.

Which makes it feasible for me but not so much for you.

Sucks to not be poor I guess?

Ehhh, my 3D printer says "Hi!"...

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 01, 2021, 10:21:45 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 10:18:29 PM
Only problem I see here is having older miniatures that now seem puny next to the newer ones.

Which is a problem for those who can afford to buy 3d miniatures, us broke players have to content with playing with 2d ones, so if I needed to upscale all my giants it would cost me cents on the dollar against your 3d versions.

Which makes it feasible for me but not so much for you.

Sucks to not be poor I guess?

Ehhh, my 3D printer says "Hi!"...

Still more expensive than my laser printer.

How much for one paper sheet? how much for the ink? How much for the plastic adhesive? 50 cents tops? And that would be the price of a miniature that takes one full page. 1 dollar if I need back and front. And I don't believe it gets to that price.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 10:18:29 PM
Only problem I see here is having older miniatures that now seem puny next to the newer ones.

Which is a problem for those who can afford to buy 3d miniatures, us broke players have to content with playing with 2d ones, so if I needed to upscale all my giants it would cost me cents on the dollar against your 3d versions.

Which makes it feasible for me but not so much for you.

Sucks to not be poor I guess?

Ehhh, my 3D printer says "Hi!"...

Still more expensive than my laser printer.

How much for one paper sheet? how much for the ink? How much for the plastic adhesive? 50 cents tops? And that would be the price of a miniature that takes one full page. 1 dollar if I need back and front. And I don't believe it gets to that price.

3D is not as cheap, but you could use rocks as tokens if you wanted to be ultra-cheap.  3D minis look a lot better than paper and aren't that much more expensive than paper.  My minis cost about 25 cents per.  Reprinting a dozen orcs costs me $3.00.  If that's too much for your budget, you can't afford to game in the first place.  And, at $250 for the printer, it's not much more than a good laser printer.  It's worth it over paper minis.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 10:18:29 PM
Only problem I see here is having older miniatures that now seem puny next to the newer ones.

Which is a problem for those who can afford to buy 3d miniatures, us broke players have to content with playing with 2d ones, so if I needed to upscale all my giants it would cost me cents on the dollar against your 3d versions.

Which makes it feasible for me but not so much for you.

Sucks to not be poor I guess?

Ehhh, my 3D printer says "Hi!"...

Still more expensive than my laser printer.

How much for one paper sheet? how much for the ink? How much for the plastic adhesive? 50 cents tops? And that would be the price of a miniature that takes one full page. 1 dollar if I need back and front. And I don't believe it gets to that price.

3D is not as cheap, but you could use rocks as tokens if you wanted to be ultra-cheap.  3D minis look a lot better than paper and aren't that much more expensive than paper.  My minis cost about 25 cents per.  Reprinting a dozen orcs costs me $3.00.  If that's too much for your budget, you can't afford to game in the first place.  And, at $250 for the printer, it's not much more than a good laser printer.  It's worth it over paper minis.

My printer cost me way less than that.

If I were to pay for the printing it would be about 5 pesos per page, since I can fit about half a dozen minis per page that's .25 US cents per 6 minis, add the plastic film for protection let's say another .25 cents per mini and I'm still way ahead in price.

What you pay for a resin printer is not the same as to what I would have to pay, plus our standard of living is way lower than yours. Take minimum wage, ours is 70 pesos/day, which translates to 3.5 US dollars per day give or take.

I already own the printer, I would need to buy the other one, plus the resins and the electricity and storing is another place where I can fit hundreds of minis in the space where you can store 50 tops.

A resin printer here goes from 7,000 pesos, so about 1.5 times more expensive than there. I imagine it's the same for the resin.

AND I don't have a place to put it and use it without the whole house stinking of the resin.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 02, 2021, 12:19:32 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 02, 2021, 12:00:24 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 10:45:27 PM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 01, 2021, 10:21:45 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 10:18:29 PM
Only problem I see here is having older miniatures that now seem puny next to the newer ones.

Which is a problem for those who can afford to buy 3d miniatures, us broke players have to content with playing with 2d ones, so if I needed to upscale all my giants it would cost me cents on the dollar against your 3d versions.

Which makes it feasible for me but not so much for you.

Sucks to not be poor I guess?

Ehhh, my 3D printer says "Hi!"...

Still more expensive than my laser printer.

How much for one paper sheet? how much for the ink? How much for the plastic adhesive? 50 cents tops? And that would be the price of a miniature that takes one full page. 1 dollar if I need back and front. And I don't believe it gets to that price.

3D is not as cheap, but you could use rocks as tokens if you wanted to be ultra-cheap.  3D minis look a lot better than paper and aren't that much more expensive than paper.  My minis cost about 25 cents per.  Reprinting a dozen orcs costs me $3.00.  If that's too much for your budget, you can't afford to game in the first place.  And, at $250 for the printer, it's not much more than a good laser printer.  It's worth it over paper minis.

My printer cost me way less than that.

If I were to pay for the printing it would be about 5 pesos per page, since I can fit about half a dozen minis per page that's .25 US cents per 6 minis, add the plastic film for protection let's say another .25 cents per mini and I'm still way ahead in price.

What you pay for a resin printer is not the same as to what I would have to pay, plus our standard of living is way lower than yours. Take minimum wage, ours is 70 pesos/day, which translates to 3.5 US dollars per day give or take.

I already own the printer, I would need to buy the other one, plus the resins and the electricity and storing is another place where I can fit hundreds of minis in the space where you can store 50 tops.

A resin printer here goes from 7,000 pesos, so about 1.5 times more expensive than there. I imagine it's the same for the resin.

AND I don't have a place to put it and use it without the whole house stinking of the resin.

So what's your point?  The origin of this discussion was the unaffordability of purchased 3d minis.  You commented that paper was cheaper and people who were "poor" had an advantage(?).  I pointed out that 3d printers were both economical and more attractive.  So, I'm sorry you live somewhere that your economic situation makes that impossible, but it doesn't make the points I made any less accurate or valid.

BTW, How about that Gold Cup final?