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Christopher Brady

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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2017, 10:29:06 PM »
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37% thumbs down already. I guess it's time to get the popcorn.

It's probably because it's being done by Beamdog, the same crew that did Baldur's Gate, I don't think most of the thumbs down have anything to do with the actual content of the game.

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Even if I had noticed that, I probably wouldn't have even remembered. If I was one of those types, I wouldn't be patiently waiting for my copy of Blue Rose to arrive.

EDIT: Then the post sinks in. Is THAT the reason? Panning one of the best CRPGs ever over one character I can't even remember?

Yeap, because politics.
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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2017, 10:49:50 PM »
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This is the age of internet tribalism. No matter what you do, the radicals on both sides will cyberbully you.

If you don't want to include women, PoC or LGBT in your game? Then you're a nazi.

If you want to include women, PoC or LGBT in your game? Then you're a filthy SJW.

Ah well. That will happen, even for non political reasons. Like people who hate on Movies because of prequels or sequels even though the original movies they loved still exist. Not much you can do about that. I'm kind of divided on if I want to play the game again but for different reasons. Yes, GOG offered me 30% off and under Cdn $20 is very enticing. But... Isolinear 2.5D games just annoy me for some reason. It's probably all those years playing NWN, NWN2, KOTOR and KOTOR2. I got used to playing using 3D models, and learning how to make skins for Knights of the Old Republic probably didn't help. :D But for some reason, looking at an isolinear environment just annoys me.
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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2017, 10:52:33 PM »
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It's probably because it's being done by Beamdog, the same crew that did Baldur's Gate, I don't think most of the thumbs down have anything to do with the actual content of the game.

That was actually my first thought. I remember waiting for the Android version of Baldur's Gate to come out, and waiting and waiting. When it did come out, I couldn't be bothered. Still there is a chance it could be good. I'm REALLY tempted to preorder because GOG sent me an email for 30% off, but part of me is still skeptical. Oh and the aforementioned not liking isolinear 2.5D games thing. :D
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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2017, 12:45:59 AM »
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That was actually my first thought. I remember waiting for the Android version of Baldur's Gate to come out, and waiting and waiting. When it did come out, I couldn't be bothered. Still there is a chance it could be good. I'm REALLY tempted to preorder because GOG sent me an email for 30% off, but part of me is still skeptical. Oh and the aforementioned not liking isolinear 2.5D games thing. :D

For me, I'm boycotting the game, and have been for decades.  (Yes, yes, I know it doesn't actually do anything except make me feel good.)  I didn't care for what they did the characters in BG2, by caving into Player preferences (Most players killed off Dynaheir because they couldn't understand how to play RPGs.  And I was forced to have Jahira the bitchy Druidess as a girlfriend, because...  I don't know why they killed her husband off, nor why they actually liked her) so, I won't play it, nor any Baldur's Gate game ever again.

And again, it's a ME thing, no one else has to agree. In fact, I'm pretty sure most people think I'm both crazy and stupid, and I'm OK with this.
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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2017, 03:36:54 PM »
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There seems to be a huge crowd of unhinged anti-SJW warriors who hated the one (admittedly rather clumsy) 'transgender' line included in Beamdog's SoD so much that they now feel compelled to complain about Beamdog everywhere...

From what I remember, it was a lot more than that one line.

Initially, the writer of Siege of Dragonspear took a swipe at Baldur's Gate on account of its sexism and suggested that it was up to her to correct that in the add-on, which she followed up with something pointlessly antagonistic like, "If people don't like it, too bad."

That generated a lot of ill will before anyone even got a chance to play the add-on, and it guaranteed that a lot of people were going to go over it with a fine tooth comb and interpret anything that looked like it might be pushing an agenda in the most ungenerous way possible.  That impulse seemed to coalesce around the poorly written trans character, but I vaguely remember complaints about the player being chided for mansplaining and racism, too.  Then there was also a joke that seemed to be baiting Gamergate, which only made the whole situation worse.

Once the controversy erupted, the add-on's writer wrote that she didn't care if her attempts to insert diverse characters into her games came across as forced and that not only was she proud to be an SJW but that she intended to continue making "social justice games" (which, if I recall correctly, was the actual phrasing she used).  

Compounding the problem, the game shipped with broken multiplayer and numerous other bugs.  The developer claimed that the bad user reviews were a result of the presence of a minor trans character and a Gamergate joke and asked players for good reviews to balance them out.  A developer asking for good reviews would be bad enough, but given that there were a lot of complaints about how buggy the game was, it looked worse.

None of this is intended as support of people who are already giving the game bad reviews to hurt Beamdog.  (I'm glad an Enhanced Edition of Planescape: Torment will be available, and I'll be buying it.)  However, the rollout of Siege of Dragonspear was a debacle that turned off a lot of people who wouldn't necessarily have a problem with trans characters.

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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2017, 05:23:55 PM »
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Then there was also a joke that seemed to be baiting Gamergate, which only made the whole situation worse.


They put that line in fan-favorite Minsc's mouth, and the blowback from all sides was bad enough they removed it.

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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2017, 07:29:18 PM »
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They put that line in fan-favorite Minsc's mouth, and the blowback from all sides was bad enough they removed it.

Oh man, I remember that.  I can understand why they got a blow back.
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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2017, 09:22:08 PM »
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However, the rollout of Siege of Dragonspear was a debacle that turned off a lot of people who wouldn't necessarily have a problem with trans characters.

Huh. By the time I played through SoD it was working fine, and I very much enjoyed it. It's comparable (IMO) to Throne of Bhaal, i.e., somewhat linear plot-wise, and not as grand in scope to the original Baldur's Gate or Shadows of Amn, but still a fun D&D adventure overall. Pity SoD suffered from such a buggy and 'stormy' rollout. (Aside from the one transgender line, I didn't notice any "in-your-face" SJW stuff myself, but then I didn't have the 'new' Safana in my party...)
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