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RIP damage on a miss

Started by Warthur, July 03, 2014, 01:00:06 PM

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Warthur

July 03, 2014, 01:00:06 PM
Making a new thread for this because it's a subject which has been HUGELY controversial - from the Basic D&D PDF as it currently stands, it looks like damage on a miss is gone.

Specifically, the Great Weapon Fighting style, which used to provide it, now does this:

QuoteWhen you roll a 1 or 2 on a damage die for an attack you make with a melee weapon that you are wielding with two hands, you can reroll the die and must use the new roll, even if the new roll is a 1 or a 2. The weapon must have the two-handed or versatile property for you to gain this benefit.

This seems entirely suitable for a "I am good at carving people up with huge weapons" fighting style.
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Necrozius

#1
July 03, 2014, 01:05:09 PM
I am cool with this. I'm also glad that the debates over this will end!

...maybe.

Brad

#2
July 03, 2014, 01:07:25 PM
Already anticipating crap like, "Wizards have spells that automatically do damage, which completely overshadows the fighter!"

Wait, isn't that argument 30+ years old?
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thedungeondelver

#3
July 03, 2014, 01:09:53 PM
THIS IS BULLSHIT.

SERIOUSLY JUST FLUSH THE 40 YEAR LEGACY OF D&D DOWN THE TOILET AND GO PISS ON GARY'S CORPSE WHILE YOU'RE AT IT.

No, I'm kidding.  I'm entirely OK with that.
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Mcbobbo sums it up nicely.

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Exploderwizard

#4
July 03, 2014, 01:39:59 PM
I think it would have been just as easy to say the great weapon fighter has advantage on damage rolls.

Boom! Bam! Done!
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Sacrosanct

#5
July 03, 2014, 01:40:05 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;763826THIS IS BULLSHIT.

SERIOUSLY JUST FLUSH THE 40 YEAR LEGACY OF D&D DOWN THE TOILET AND GO PISS ON GARY'S CORPSE WHILE YOU'RE AT IT.

No, I'm kidding.  I'm entirely OK with that.

:D  you've been hanging around TBP too much.  Starting to act like them ;)
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Sacrosanct

#6
July 03, 2014, 01:40:35 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;763845I think it would have been just as easy to say the great weapon fighter has advantage on damage rolls.

Boom! Bam! Done!

You know, I actually like this.
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Necrozius

#7
July 03, 2014, 01:49:46 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;763845I think it would have been just as easy to say the great weapon fighter has advantage on damage rolls.

Boom! Bam! Done!

Wow. Yeah that works super well. Nice and simple.

(I'm already liking the rules-jargon too for this game.)

thedungeondelver

#8
July 03, 2014, 01:51:42 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;763846:D  you've been hanging around TBP too much.  Starting to act like them ;)

Are you nuts?  Most of them want to flush the legacy of D&D - see "Fire these guys and replace them all with 20 year olds, stat!" response to Rob's 'blog post.

And yes, that was a real comment made by someone.  Meant sincerely.

Ahem.
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Mcbobbo sums it up nicely.

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Astrophysicists are reassessing Einsteinian relativity because the 28 billion l

thedungeondelver

#9
July 03, 2014, 01:52:15 PM
Quote from: Necrozius;763850Wow. Yeah that works super well. Nice and simple.

(I'm already liking the rules-jargon too for this game.)

Yeah I would rather do that; I think that's simpler.
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Mcbobbo sums it up nicely.

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Opaopajr

#10
July 03, 2014, 01:54:02 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;763845I think it would have been just as easy to say the great weapon fighter has advantage on damage rolls.

Boom! Bam! Done!

Not the solution I would have to Great Weapon Style personally, but if I was to cleanly implement this rule benefit granting advantage would be the way I would have done it. Cleaner, less wordy, uses an inherent system mechanic, etc. Good job, may it be an errata to the living document in the future.
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Imp

#11
July 03, 2014, 01:57:51 PM
Huh. Their revision was very similar to what I was considering houseruling. (I was bouncing around between something like that or "if you roll a 1 or 2 on your damage dice, you instead do 3 damage", I wasn't sure)

Marleycat

#12
July 03, 2014, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;763845I think it would have been just as easy to say the great weapon fighter has advantage on damage rolls.

Boom! Bam! Done!

It is simpler but I think they did it that way so it isn't just something that's automatic and the ability actually kicks in on your damage roll not your attack roll.
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Warthur

#13
July 03, 2014, 07:42:16 PM
I think they're also strictly limiting the advantage/disadvantage terminology to D20 success/failure rolls, like your to-hits or your saving throws or whatever.
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I recommend The RPG Pub as a friendly place where RPGs can be discussed and where the guiding principles of moderation are "be kind to each other" and "no politics". It\'s pretty chill so far.

robiswrong

#14
July 03, 2014, 07:52:50 PM
Quote from: Warthur;764079I think they're also strictly limiting the advantage/disadvantage terminology to D20 success/failure rolls, like your to-hits or your saving throws or whatever.

Even so, "roll two damage dice, and take the best" is a lot shorter, and the only impact is if you roll a two followed by a one.
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