I agree with AM :combust: ....(although the crew does award individual xp for "star performance" )

Regards,
David R

Quote from: BalbinusIt does, that sounds though like a truly pants xp system.

Why?  Because if everyone pursues their fun then some people advance and some don't, depending on whether their fun overlaps with what gets xp or not.

I could see that being a problem if "What gets XP" were outside the players' influence ... like they could be told "Bob, you will be rewarded only for fighting, while Mike over here will be rewarded for being sneaky," and then if both Bob and Mike like to sneak more than they like to fight then Mike has an advantage over Bob because his sneakiness gets rewarded.  

But it strikes me as much less of a problem when people get to choose their individual rewards.  Basically, people advance depending on whether their fun overlaps with what gets XP, and they therefore choose what gets XP (for them) to overlap with their fun.  In the meantime, they are broadcasting a large amount of information to the world that says "I want to do THIS!  Help me do THIS and I will pay attention, guaranteed!"  Overall, it seems to hang together pretty well.

Quote from: TonyLBI could see that being a problem if "What gets XP" were outside the players' influence ... like they could be told "Bob, you will be rewarded only for fighting, while Mike over here will be rewarded for being sneaky," and then if both Bob and Mike like to sneak more than they like to fight then Mike has an advantage over Bob because his sneakiness gets rewarded.  

But it strikes me as much less of a problem when people get to choose their individual rewards.  Basically, people advance depending on whether their fun overlaps with what gets XP, and they therefore choose what gets XP (for them) to overlap with their fun.  In the meantime, they are broadcasting a large amount of information to the world that says "I want to do THIS!  Help me do THIS and I will pay attention, guaranteed!"  Overall, it seems to hang together pretty well.

Isn't it just as good to say, "While I will help you to do this Mike, and I will help Bob do that, because that's what ya'all like to do, I will award you both xp for all the challenges you overcome whether they play to your specialty or not because you can learn from all your experiences and because you can then advance together."

Quote from: SigmundIsn't it just as good to say, "While I will help you to do this Mike, and I will help Bob do that, because that's what ya'all like to do, I will award you both xp for all the challenges you overcome whether they play to your specialty or not because you can learn from all your experiences and because you can then advance together."

That's gettin' mighty close ta Heresy, podner! Y'all better watch out, or the Dogs'll getcha!

-clash

Quote from: SigmundIsn't it just as good to say, "While I will help you to do this Mike, and I will help Bob do that, because that's what ya'all like to do, I will award you both xp for all the challenges you overcome whether they play to your specialty or not because you can learn from all your experiences and because you can then advance together."

Hey, so long as it works, it's all good.  Getting explicit rewards that depend directly upon my actions works for me.  What you're doing works for you.  Our mileage on particular techniques varies ... go figure

Quote from: TonyLBHey, so long as it works, it's all good.  Getting explicit rewards that depend directly upon my actions works for me.  What you're doing works for you.  Our mileage on particular techniques varies ... go figure

Fair enough. Thats all I was trying to say all along.

Quote from: flyingmiceThat's gettin' mighty close ta Heresy, podner! Y'all better watch out, or the Dogs'll getcha!

-clash

The Dogs are my bitches (HA!).

Quote from: SigmundFair enough. Thats all I was trying to say all along.

Y'know, actually ... I think we just dodged a pattern that can get really nasty.  So (a) good for us! and (b) hey, maybe I'll watch out for this in future.

The pattern goes something like this:

• (1) Tony says "I like donuts"
  
  • (2) Sigmund, quite reasonably, says "I like pie ... but tell me about these donuts!"[/COLOR]
    
    • (3) Tony says "They are in many ways like pie ... but smaller, and round, and often without as much filling." [/COLOR](No!  No, please!  Comparison is odious ... any comparison!  Why don't you just talk about donuts?  Why, why?)
      
      • (4) Sigmund says "Well then ... if there's not as much filling, why not just have a pie?  What makes donuts any better than pie?" [/COLOR](Is it a "winner take all" situation, where either Pie or Donuts must emerge as the clear victor in order to have any value at all?  Soooo easy to slip into that thinking, especially when the conversation is already about Donuts vis-a-vis Pie.  Things fall apart, the center cannot hold, etc.)
        
        • (5) Tony says "Well, portability is a major issue, sometimes!  If you're driving and want something sweet, you can't eat a PIE!  Pies are clearly inferior if you're looking for portability" [/COLOR](... and things get worse ... Tony feels that the "Just have a pie instead" thing is undervaluing his beloved donuts, and now both sides are in "Winner take all" mode.  Crap.  While they're thinking this way, a positive statement about one thing can only be made in the context of its value relative to the other thing ... in order to defend Donuts, Tony thinks he has to talk about how they are superior to Pies.  That's silly.  Who the hell doesn't like Pie?)
          
        • (6) Sigmund says "Gahd!  What do you have against Pie?  Have you even tried Pie?  It's not about Portability, for Chrissake.  If you were a normal, Pie-eating person then you wouldn't go around bashing Pies that way."
          
        • (7) Tony says "The hell?  I love Pies!  They're just not portable.  Why can't I love pies for at home and donuts on the road?"
          
        • ( Sigmund says "And what about Hostess Mini-pies?  They're portable!  God, you don't even know anything about Pies and here you are telling me what Pies can and cannot be."
        ... and so on and so forth.  What a frickin' mess.  And it all proceeds so easily from the basic "Hrm ... what makes A better than B anyway?" question.  Yikes!

That's cuz we rule

Quote from: Agent Cooper"Hmmmm... that's a donut!"

Quote from: Agent Cooper"Hmmmm... that's a cherry pie!"

(Now I need a danish...)