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Author Topic: Reset the clock. Again.  (Read 1512 times)

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Re: Reset the clock. Again.
« Reply #75 on: April 08, 2021, 04:17:33 AM »
You shouldn't really, but if we can't continue to present the Others as immoral failures then by god what can we do

Problem is... These "others" have rather consistently proven to be either insane or crooks of some sort, sometimes both.
And in case you had not noticed. They have painted US as the others. Not the other way round.

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Re: Reset the clock. Again.
« Reply #76 on: April 08, 2021, 01:20:49 PM »
I do not see any way this is covered by the various sexual harassment rules or laws with regard to the power relationship between a boss and a subordinate.

This particular situation isn't about harassment. Harassment occurs when one party is trying repeatedly to establish a sexual, or at the very least a sexualized, relationship with the other despite explicit rebuffing. In this case the relationship between the two primary actors began with mutual consent; my point is that that consent in itself doesn't automatically make it ethical.

For one thing, as noted in the original story, Hill was already committed and did not initially have any permission at all to seek outside activity, and enabling someone else's infidelity is still unethical, if not quite as bad as committing it oneself. For another, while sexual and economic relationships can coexist ethically between the same people, it generally requires explicit and formal commitments to achieve; when the topic deliberately goes unaddressed, it creates ambiguities and uncertainties that, even if not consciously exploited, can nonetheless undermine the relationship. (Consider, if nothing else, that asking someone about money he owes you can be a lot more fraught if you're already sleeping with him.)

The simple rules "Don't sleep with someone already involved with someone else", "Don't sleep with someone who owes you money unless you absolutely don't care about getting the money", and "Don't sleep with someone who isn't free and willing to commit their life to being your exclusive partner" would have prevented all the chaos outlined in the original post. That basic chastity covers all this is no coincidence.

But why are we hearing about their dirty laundry? I am supposed to judge someone's private life, without even hearing their perspective, about matters which have really nothing to do with anyone outside of their private lives? This is just petty bullshit by someone not mature enough to know better. It doesn't "protect" anyone in the future. It's just an ex who jilted them. Welcome to life?

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Re: Reset the clock. Again.
« Reply #77 on: April 08, 2021, 01:24:46 PM »
You shouldn't really, but if we can't continue to present the Others as immoral failures then by god what can we do

Problem is... These "others" have rather consistently proven to be either insane or crooks of some sort, sometimes both.
And in case you had not noticed. They have painted US as the others. Not the other way round.

Others can Other others too, so it's just everybody othering everybody else. You can quibble about who started the othering first but that's the state of things now.

But it's like, what now? The Others are already engaging in their usual cancel-countercancel maneuvers of which nobody here has any real part, so then what? You continue to not buy their games?
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« Reply #78 on: April 08, 2021, 01:55:25 PM »
I do not see any way this is covered by the various sexual harassment rules or laws with regard to the power relationship between a boss and a subordinate.

This particular situation isn't about harassment. Harassment occurs when one party is trying repeatedly to establish a sexual, or at the very least a sexualized, relationship with the other despite explicit rebuffing. In this case the relationship between the two primary actors began with mutual consent; my point is that that consent in itself doesn't automatically make it ethical.

For one thing, as noted in the original story, Hill was already committed and did not initially have any permission at all to seek outside activity, and enabling someone else's infidelity is still unethical, if not quite as bad as committing it oneself. For another, while sexual and economic relationships can coexist ethically between the same people, it generally requires explicit and formal commitments to achieve; when the topic deliberately goes unaddressed, it creates ambiguities and uncertainties that, even if not consciously exploited, can nonetheless undermine the relationship. (Consider, if nothing else, that asking someone about money he owes you can be a lot more fraught if you're already sleeping with him.)

The simple rules "Don't sleep with someone already involved with someone else", "Don't sleep with someone who owes you money unless you absolutely don't care about getting the money", and "Don't sleep with someone who isn't free and willing to commit their life to being your exclusive partner" would have prevented all the chaos outlined in the original post. That basic chastity covers all this is no coincidence.

But why are we hearing about their dirty laundry? I am supposed to judge someone's private life, without even hearing their perspective, about matters which have really nothing to do with anyone outside of their private lives? This is just petty bullshit by someone not mature enough to know better. It doesn't "protect" anyone in the future. It's just an ex who jilted them. Welcome to life?
If you’re asking “why” in a general sense then perhaps this is a result of the personal being political for many people. If you’re woke, a personal train wreck gets elevated to a political violation of some kind that warrants the public airing of what used to be considered a private matter. If you’re woke then you can’t remain silent on a political matter, otherwise they’re essentially committing a sin.

If you mean a rational justification that most here would accept as to why she ought to have blasted Hill publicly…I got nothing.

However, the milk is spilt, and Hill is one of the woke idiots many see as an opponent. I can’t blame folks for getting some satisfaction in seeing him get trashed.

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« Reply #79 on: April 08, 2021, 02:17:59 PM »
White Wolf games were always like that. I have heard more dumb stories out of that shop than anywhere else on the planet.

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« Reply #80 on: April 08, 2021, 02:18:47 PM »
White Wolf games were always like that. I have heard more dumb stories out of that shop than anywhere else on the planet.

Nobody wants to think about how or who Kevin Siembieda fucks.
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« Reply #81 on: April 08, 2021, 07:12:30 PM »
White Wolf games were always like that. I have heard more dumb stories out of that shop than anywhere else on the planet.

Nobody wants to think about how or who Kevin Siembieda fucks.
But he never releases too soon.

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« Reply #82 on: April 08, 2021, 08:15:35 PM »
I need two ice picks, one for each eye.

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« Reply #83 on: April 09, 2021, 01:47:44 AM »
White Wolf games were always like that. I have heard more dumb stories out of that shop than anywhere else on the planet.

Nobody wants to think about how or who Kevin Siembieda fucks.
But he never releases too soon.

I felt a single tear roll down my cheek as I read this, you are all right.
I don't want to play with you.