Here is a link to the latest kickstarter.

Sounds pretty good to be honest.  We have very sympathic characters who suffered at the hands of a all powerful antagonists who have their own lackeys and organizations.  A real underdog story that is far better than Beast: the Primordial.  Wait...  It sounds familiar, but why?

Ohhhhh...

Deviant = Changeling
Lab = Arcadia
Experiments = Durance
Antagonist = True Fae
Lackeys = Huntsmen for 2nd Edition
Fighting Back = Hello what was the entire point of Summer and Autumn courts?

I believe I made my point that Onyx Path is running out of ideas.  This is Changeling with a different skin.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1105703I believe I made my point that Onyx Path is running out of ideas.  This is Changeling with a different skin.

Actually it reads more like a watered down Aberrant... :cool:

It's not the worst idea, but its Onyx Path so who knows how bullshit the final product might be.

If they focus on the underdog story, and the need for the PCs to stay on the run while learning more about how they have changed and who did this to them and why, perhaps there's some interesting potential here.

But yeah, it sounds like a low powered Aberrant campaign...which might be fun if done right.

Deviant = Aberrant
Lab = Proteus
Experiments = Nova powers
Antagonist = Terragen and Proteus
Lackeys = Utopia, henchmen, and those hopped up on that aberrant steroid.
Fighting Back = the Aberrant Underground

This is why making things up as you go along tends to result in needlessly messy settings. I would prefer an actual toolkit with guidelines on how to make my own monsters and cosmology. Not something that pretends to be a toolkit but isn't. That's why I don't like CoD.

I don't like WoD (classic) because of the convoluted comic book continuity and the absurd political preaching at points. Although I think V5 improved the discipline mechanic (even better than Requiem 2e) and hunger is more evocative than blood pool.

I like the CoD stuff, but it's such a heavy system with so much stuff. Agreed I'd love simpler core book / system and make your own creatures. Or go back to centering everything on the God Machine and have all of the splats be different creatures from earlier versions.

Quote from: PencilBoy99;1105728I like the CoD stuff, but it's such a heavy system with so much stuff. Agreed I'd love simpler core book / system and make your own creatures. Or go back to centering everything on the God Machine and have all of the splats be different creatures from earlier versions.

I personally prefer agnostic settings without global conspiracies. That's why I prefer toolkits. It means I can discuss with people who prefer slightly different settings without getting into stupid arguments over whose setting is better/right/more pretentious.

Quote from: Omega;1105705Actually it reads more like a watered down Aberrant... :cool:

yeah I was just going to say - it looks like X-Men but in WoD.

It heavily overlaps in concept with Promethean, too. The only major difference is that the Deviant is still alive while being transformed.

It covers a lot of the same ground as the fansplats Pathogen: The Infected and Outsider: The Calling, except with evil scientists or whoever replacing the pathogen and the mythos deities.

It sounds interesting. Probably the most ingriguing premise from OP since CTD, which is where they lost it.  I can see the similarities to CTD, but my first thought was Promethean. (edit: ninjaed!)

But you don't need a new book for this. Hero or MM3 will already do it.

This is part of the reason why I advocate for universal rules for superpowers. If every splat is essentially built using the same guidelines, then it becomes much easier to spot conceptual overlaps. And, by extension, perhaps inspire new takes on old ideas.

Or we could do what Monsterhearts does and explicitly build splats by first finding a human issue and then creating a metaphor around that in the form of a monster. Don't pick a monster concept and then try to shoehorn a metaphor for humanity into that.

Just look how badly that went for Beast. It's a metaphor for pedophile apologia, written by a real pedophile. Leviathan: The Tempest and Dragon: The Whatever were amateur hour, sure, but they've retroactively become orders of magnitude superior to the official implementation.

Quote from: tenbones;1105739yeah I was just going to say - it looks like X-Men but in WoD.

Or Cybergeneration, but in WoD.

I actually don't think that WoD's system is good for Supers-level content. I mean it can clearly do superhuman level stuff. But the abstraction of scale doesn't hold together well. And nor should it - since WoD should be more about the interactions than trying to emulate the Supers Genre... but this is a gray area. I'm not sure how far they wanna go with it.

Quote from: jeff37923;1105804Or Cybergeneration, but in WoD.

yeah! good call on that.

And Beast is basically the same premise as Vampire except without the humanity and with an obnoxious victim complex.