Quote from: tenbones;1105805I actually don't think that WoD's system is good for Supers-level content. I mean it can clearly do superhuman level stuff. But the abstraction of scale doesn't hold together well. And nor should it - since WoD should be more about the interactions than trying to emulate the Supers Genre... but this is a gray area. I'm not sure how far they wanna go with it.

Aberrant, and the Trinity line, proves you wrong. It is tied with MSH as my go-to superhero RPG. It runs surprisingly smoothly and while chargen is a bit more convoluted than standard WOD chargen. The payoff is worth it. That and you can use it to emulate other superhero settings. Moreso if you add in Adventure as it handles pulpy street level crimfighting well.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1105829And Beast is basically the same premise as Vampire except without the humanity and with an obnoxious victim complex.

Well to be fair. WOD books tend to share alot of common themes. Some more than others. And apparently that was intentional in some cases.
There is just about always a division of the members into 6 or more factions. There is usually some sort of conspiracy or shadowy organization out there. One or more factions bitch incessantly about how oppresededed they is by the evil man! Or another faction. Theres usually at least one supremacist or racial purity faction or close enough. History does not mesh with any other books on one, or all points. And they almost always are hiding and/or in decline somehow.

And Werewolf has Beast beat for obnoxious victim complex hands down. Was there a single Werewolf book that sisnt have some moaning and weeping in it about how oppressedededed the woofs/yotes/cats/whatevers are? Please! Think of the Whatevers!

The sooner Onyx Path goes under, the better.

Oh if Bloodlines 2 flops Paradox might sell it, or worst give it to Onyx Path completely.  Which if Bloodlines 2 does flop they only have themselves to blame for going woke in the first place.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1105858Oh if Bloodlines 2 flops Paradox might sell it, or worst give it to Onyx Path completely.  Which if Bloodlines 2 does flop they only have themselves to blame for going woke in the first place.

Agreed.

I backed it, and read the manuscript, personally I think it's awesome and is the Chronicles of Darkness game I've been most looking forward to in a long while. Outside of the main splats (Vampire/Mage/Werewolf) It sounds like it'll be my favorite game next to Hunter The Vigil.

To be clear, this *IS* flat out... the World of Darkness Superhero game. It's exactly what I've been waiting for, and the most broad and open of all the games in terms of what you can make and what kind of adversaries you can face down. The fact that Robocop, Eleven, and Guyver are all viable character concepts and could be in the same party together is pretty fucking awesome to me.

Edit: Robocop is specifically listed as the example of a Deviant whose achieved "Guardian" Status, one that's found the perfect balance between Revenge and Loyalty and no longer suffers as much from their Scars (Deviant Disabilities) and has attained a level of Stability.

Does the game allow for likable player characters? Or is everyone a Democrat?

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1105888Does the game allow for likable player characters? Or is everyone a Democrat?

I thought they were all vegetarians? :eek:

You know Shawn Driscoll if Onyx Path keep it up with the whole only democrats are the good guys, then I am going to say fuck it.  Then I am going to make a pure game where the forsaken are the worst aspects that people give to democrats while making the pure the actual good guys with MAGA hats, American flags, and gun rights.  Then have the players be good southern boys who just want to have fun, but got this corrupt Storm Lord corrupting the small town.  So now they have to do epic car stunts to avoid the cops and save the day.

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Quote from: Snowman0147;1105899You know Shawn Driscoll if Onyx Path keep it up with the whole only democrats are the good guys, then I am going to say fuck it.  Then I am going to make a pure game where the forsaken are the worst aspects that people give to democrats while making the pure the actual good guys with MAGA hats, American flags, and gun rights.  Then have the players be good southern boys who just want to have fun, but got this corrupt Storm Lord corrupting the small town.  So now they have to do epic car stunts to avoid the cops and save the day.

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I had a similar idea for first edition Scion. Daisy as scion of Aphrodite, etc.

Quote from: Orphan81;1105877I backed it, and read the manuscript, personally I think it's awesome and is the Chronicles of Darkness game I've been most looking forward to in a long while. Outside of the main splats (Vampire/Mage/Werewolf) It sounds like it'll be my favorite game next to Hunter The Vigil.

To be clear, this *IS* flat out... the World of Darkness Superhero game. It's exactly what I've been waiting for, and the most broad and open of all the games in terms of what you can make and what kind of adversaries you can face down. The fact that Robocop, Eleven, and Guyver are all viable character concepts and could be in the same party together is pretty fucking awesome to me.

Edit: Robocop is specifically listed as the example of a Deviant whose achieved "Guardian" Status, one that's found the perfect balance between Revenge and Loyalty and no longer suffers as much from their Scars (Deviant Disabilities) and has attained a level of Stability.

I'm surprised by this. I was expecting another disaster or snooze fest, but this sounds like it might be almost as interesting as Changeling or Hunter.

Sad that White Wolf couldn't muster the same amount of creativity for the big three. They still feel like their oWoD predecessors with some names switched around.

Imagine: Vampire with flexible rules for vampirism, like psychic vampirism or different sets of weaknesses and powers like American Vampire; Werewolf without a universal myth or biology, more like lupine theriomorphs in Dresden Files; Mage without shoehorning Atlantis, Abyss, Technocracy, Ascension War, etc everywhere.

Quote from: Orphan81;1105877I backed it, and read the manuscript, personally I think it's awesome and is the Chronicles of Darkness game I've been most looking forward to in a long while. Outside of the main splats (Vampire/Mage/Werewolf) It sounds like it'll be my favorite game next to Hunter The Vigil.

To be clear, this *IS* flat out... the World of Darkness Superhero game. It's exactly what I've been waiting for, and the most broad and open of all the games in terms of what you can make and what kind of adversaries you can face down. The fact that Robocop, Eleven, and Guyver are all viable character concepts and could be in the same party together is pretty fucking awesome to me.

Edit: Robocop is specifically listed as the example of a Deviant whose achieved "Guardian" Status, one that's found the perfect balance between Revenge and Loyalty and no longer suffers as much from their Scars (Deviant Disabilities) and has attained a level of Stability.

I'm surprised by this. I was expecting another disaster or snooze fest, but this sounds like it might be almost as interesting as Changeling or Hunter.

Sad that White Wolf couldn't muster the same amount of creativity for the big three. They still feel like their oWoD predecessors with some names switched around.

Imagine: Vampire with flexible rules for vampirism, like psychic vampirism or different sets of weaknesses and powers like American Vampire; Werewolf without a universal myth or biology, more like lupine theriomorphs in Dresden Files; Mage without shoehorning Atlantis, Abyss, Technocracy, Ascension War, etc everywhere.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1105899You know Shawn Driscoll if Onyx Path keep it up with the whole only democrats are the good guys, then I am going to say fuck it.  Then I am going to make a pure game where the forsaken are the worst aspects that people give to democrats while making the pure the actual good guys with MAGA hats, American flags, and gun rights.  Then have the players be good southern boys who just want to have fun, but got this corrupt Storm Lord corrupting the small town.  So now they have to do epic car stunts to avoid the cops and save the day.

This seems to apply to both World of Darkness and Chronicles of Darkness, given that Onyx Path is now in charge of writing both. If I recall correctly, they have weird mandates like disallowing LGBT characters to be depicted as villains. This was a problem for the character Vykos, who was transgender and a murderous psychopath.

I'm not particularly invested in any edition, though. Most of the settings I found arbitrarily restrictive or boring, aside from maybe Changeling: The Lost and Hunter: The Vigil since they demonstrated a lot of a creativity. I liked the Chronicles of Darkness 1e rules the most since they're the simplest, but I don't deny that they have their own problems. Some of the 2e changes were improvements, but a lot of that was obscured by trying to crudely bolt on Fate-esque rules to the ST chassis and making basic rules more complicated than they had to be. You really shouldn't need a flow chart for anything besides syntactic magic and politics.

Another problem is the absurd refusal to use universal mechanics. This results in a dozen different mechanics for adjudicating superpowers and PC/NPC design. I don't understand why they couldn't use an Essence and charms mechanic like Exalted. Even if the splats aren't intended to play together, it still doesn't hurt to use universal mechanics and maybe a point buy system.

I have a bazillion other complaints about the rules and settings, but that's basically the gist of it. The rules need to be simplified and the settings need to be relaxed.

Your going to love Weird then.

One universal mechanics such as spirit (energy) and potency (aka power stat).  Not to mention cyptics are universal.

Even if you hate my own setting there is going to be a Build Your Own Setting section where you can make any thing.  Your own world, cities, roles, edges, cryptics, powers, and so on.  Simply because I don't assume what is best for your table.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1105948Your going to love Weird then.

One universal mechanics such as spirit (energy) and potency (aka power stat).  Not to mention cyptics are universal.

Even if you hate my own setting there is going to be a Build Your Own Setting section where you can make any thing.  Your own world, cities, roles, edges, cryptics, powers, and so on.  Simply because I don't assume what is best for your table.

A had lots of questions about your design. What are the basics of the mechanics? Were you familiar with urban fantasy games other than World of Darkness when you designed it, like Nightlife, The Everlasting, or WitchCraft? Is it being released under the OGL?

Also, I joined your discord.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1105899You know Shawn Driscoll if Onyx Path keep it up with the whole only democrats are the good guys, then I am going to say fuck it.  Then I am going to make a pure game where the forsaken are the worst aspects that people give to democrats while making the pure the actual good guys with MAGA hats, American flags, and gun rights.  Then have the players be good southern boys who just want to have fun, but got this corrupt Storm Lord corrupting the small town.  So now they have to do epic car stunts to avoid the cops and save the day.

Yes the southern good boys are all fire touched as God himself intended it.

Automobile: The Racening :cool: