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Reddit gamers were mad they lost an easy means of pirating TTRPGs

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GeekyBugle:

--- Quote from: therealjcm on October 05, 2021, 11:30:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:23:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 05, 2021, 11:21:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:15:14 AM ---And that last part is why I don't have much sympathy for The Trove, because they would pirate from everybody, even the small developer selfpublishing.

The not being able to find old, out of print games tho...

Edited to add:

But Daniel didn't really kill the piracy nor The Trove, they will find a way to keep on going, torrents, The Bay, private groups somewhere. Like life, piracy finds a way.

--- End quote ---

It reminds me of the question of 'abandonware'. Is it piracy if it's not even being published and nobody's sure who owns the IP?

And IP law in the U.S. is a complete pile of shit, too. That doesn't help.

But yeah. Piracy goes on.

--- End quote ---

Bold mine for emphasis.

You have Disney to thank for making it even worse.

--- End quote ---

We can thank celebrity culture to some extent as well, for giving us Sonny "the congressman from Disney" Bono.

--- End quote ---

Yeah, we have several politicians here that can hardly speak but were elected because they were in movies, football (soccer), etc.

Ghostmaker:

--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:32:28 AM ---
--- Quote from: therealjcm on October 05, 2021, 11:30:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:23:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 05, 2021, 11:21:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:15:14 AM ---And that last part is why I don't have much sympathy for The Trove, because they would pirate from everybody, even the small developer selfpublishing.

The not being able to find old, out of print games tho...

Edited to add:

But Daniel didn't really kill the piracy nor The Trove, they will find a way to keep on going, torrents, The Bay, private groups somewhere. Like life, piracy finds a way.

--- End quote ---

It reminds me of the question of 'abandonware'. Is it piracy if it's not even being published and nobody's sure who owns the IP?

And IP law in the U.S. is a complete pile of shit, too. That doesn't help.

But yeah. Piracy goes on.

--- End quote ---

Bold mine for emphasis.

You have Disney to thank for making it even worse.

--- End quote ---

We can thank celebrity culture to some extent as well, for giving us Sonny "the congressman from Disney" Bono.

--- End quote ---

Yeah, we have several politicians here that can hardly speak but were elected because they were in movies, football (soccer), etc.

--- End quote ---
Although considering the quality of 'professional' politicians, I'm not sure electing amateurs is that bad of an idea.

GeekyBugle:

--- Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 05, 2021, 11:33:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:32:28 AM ---
--- Quote from: therealjcm on October 05, 2021, 11:30:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:23:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 05, 2021, 11:21:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:15:14 AM ---And that last part is why I don't have much sympathy for The Trove, because they would pirate from everybody, even the small developer selfpublishing.

The not being able to find old, out of print games tho...

Edited to add:

But Daniel didn't really kill the piracy nor The Trove, they will find a way to keep on going, torrents, The Bay, private groups somewhere. Like life, piracy finds a way.

--- End quote ---

It reminds me of the question of 'abandonware'. Is it piracy if it's not even being published and nobody's sure who owns the IP?

And IP law in the U.S. is a complete pile of shit, too. That doesn't help.

But yeah. Piracy goes on.

--- End quote ---

Bold mine for emphasis.

You have Disney to thank for making it even worse.

--- End quote ---

We can thank celebrity culture to some extent as well, for giving us Sonny "the congressman from Disney" Bono.

--- End quote ---

Yeah, we have several politicians here that can hardly speak but were elected because they were in movies, football (soccer), etc.

--- End quote ---
Although considering the quality of 'professional' politicians, I'm not sure electing amateurs is that bad of an idea.

--- End quote ---

When the "amateurs" are just as corrupt and inept as the professionals at doing anything good but very competent at the bad stuff...

Imagine you and your group overthrow the king of the blackmarshes, at first people might cheer you, but then you and your buddies turn out to be just as bad...

Ghostmaker:

--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:38:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 05, 2021, 11:33:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:32:28 AM ---
--- Quote from: therealjcm on October 05, 2021, 11:30:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:23:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 05, 2021, 11:21:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 05, 2021, 11:15:14 AM ---And that last part is why I don't have much sympathy for The Trove, because they would pirate from everybody, even the small developer selfpublishing.

The not being able to find old, out of print games tho...

Edited to add:

But Daniel didn't really kill the piracy nor The Trove, they will find a way to keep on going, torrents, The Bay, private groups somewhere. Like life, piracy finds a way.

--- End quote ---

It reminds me of the question of 'abandonware'. Is it piracy if it's not even being published and nobody's sure who owns the IP?

And IP law in the U.S. is a complete pile of shit, too. That doesn't help.

But yeah. Piracy goes on.

--- End quote ---

Bold mine for emphasis.

You have Disney to thank for making it even worse.

--- End quote ---

We can thank celebrity culture to some extent as well, for giving us Sonny "the congressman from Disney" Bono.

--- End quote ---

Yeah, we have several politicians here that can hardly speak but were elected because they were in movies, football (soccer), etc.

--- End quote ---
Although considering the quality of 'professional' politicians, I'm not sure electing amateurs is that bad of an idea.

--- End quote ---

When the "amateurs" are just as corrupt and inept as the professionals at doing anything good but very competent at the bad stuff...

Imagine you and your group overthrow the king of the blackmarshes, at first people might cheer you, but then you and your buddies turn out to be just as bad...

--- End quote ---
True, but you wanna tell me having a professional who's spent thirty years on the government dole as a congresscritter is an improvement?

Anyways, we're getting off topic here :)

Chris24601:
As someone who’s got his own system nearly complete (last section of last chapter) I will not mourn the death of The Trove.

That said, I do see the concept of a site to maintain defunct systems no longer supported by any operating authority (company or individual) that would otherwise be unavailable as something useful for the gaming community as a whole.

It feels like there should be some ethical way to maintain only defunct titles (linked with some sprt of “claim this property” process that would remove the claimed material and replace it with a link to the IP holder), but the trick would be funding such a site.

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