Just as a update to my story upthread a ways.

My issue of faith with my friends came to a head last weekend when I invited some new players to my game. I have known both of them for many years and they are great players even if there D&D 5E love affair must be overlooked. They also happen to be two married men who I have known since 1986 when we went to high school together. Both are aware of my faith and recent experiences with my friends but like me decided to try and give my friends the benefit of the doubt and join our game.

I did warn everyone ahead of time and give everyone a chance to bow out though none did.

I'm happy to report that it seems Christians and Gay Married Couples can indeed sit down to play some rpg's and within two hours be laughing and throwing dice and having a great time. I even waited till hearing back from everyone about next weeks game first in case someone brought up any issue but everyone is onboard for next weeks game!

I feel a lot better now! Maybe next time I will invite a Demorcat! Lol yeah nevermind, lets not get too crazy.

Quote from: Gameogre on August 17, 2021, 08:01:33 AM
Just as a update to my story upthread a ways.

My issue of faith with my friends came to a head last weekend when I invited some new players to my game. I have known both of them for many years and they are great players even if there D&D 5E love affair must be overlooked. They also happen to be two married men who I have known since 1986 when we went to high school together. Both are aware of my faith and recent experiences with my friends but like me decided to try and give my friends the benefit of the doubt and join our game.

I did warn everyone ahead of time and give everyone a chance to bow out though none did.

I'm happy to report that it seems Christians and Gay Married Couples can indeed sit down to play some rpg's and within two hours be laughing and throwing dice and having a great time. I even waited till hearing back from everyone about next weeks game first in case someone brought up any issue but everyone is onboard for next weeks game!

I feel a lot better now! Maybe next time I will invite a Demorcat! Lol yeah nevermind, lets not get too crazy.

Let me guess.  Is it because they are gamers who just happen to be gay?  They don't define everything about themselves by their 'gayness', they are just a couple of guys who happen to be gay.  I'm guessing you also identify as a gamer who happens to be religious. (You may not think of yourself that way, but that is probably how other people see you.)  That has been my experience with things like this.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 13, 2021, 10:26:57 PM
... Rome wasn't built in a day.

LOL - hilarious. Love it.

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Quote from: jhkim on July 05, 2021, 02:58:28 PM
I don't know the view of people who are vocally opposed to gay marriage. However, I play with plenty of gay and queer gamers. In my experience, most don't like associating socially with people who are opposed to gay marriage.

One of my players is gay and married or at least very long term partnered. He gets on fine with conservative gamers - I'd say he was fairly conservative himself - but he does get annoyed by some of the SJW snowflakes he encounters online whose identity is focused on 'privilege' and 'oppression'.

That's cool.

However, I feel like you've replace "anti-gay-marriage" (my words) with broader "conservative" - similar to how Gameogre replaced "Christian".

In general, gay people tend to lean liberal as a demographic - but almost no gay people are specifically anti-gay-marriage -- and in my experience, they tend to react poorly to people who are vocally anti-gay-marriage.

Queer Critiques of Gay Marriage
http://www.againstequality.org/stuff/against-equality-queer-critiques-of-gay-marriage/

Quote from: Ocule on July 03, 2021, 11:07:15 AM
Wasn't sure if this belonged here or in the rpg pundits own thread, but anyway I wanted to discuss what we can actually do about the SJWs in the hobby. I've been fighting the good fight for a while now, standing up to those sjw bullies whenever they pop their stupid little heads up. Usually i'll use logic and reason, other times i'll use sarcasm and mockery if i think they're too dense to get the former but it always ends the same. A banning from whatever website or platform it's being discussed on. Normally I wouldn't give a flying rats ass about being banned from a politically charged cesspool, but i'm starting to despair as one community after another falls to this cult. I use community as in specific groups, such as discords, facebook groups and internet forums. Othertimes it will be a game company who made a game i really used to enjoy, though i find it harder and harder to actually enjoy content while trying to overlook the obvious jabs and commentary in their actual products.

I'll buy into a game series, spend my hard earned cash on a line of products and get involved with other players finding people to play the game or discuss the hobby with. It seems great but then give it a year or so and next thing you know either the majority of the online communities or the company itself falls to woke bullshit. Often times you have a group or two that establishes itself as the officially sanctioned unofficial group, (see Genesys RPG, or Savage Worlds). The devs are usually part of that community and use it as an official platform to put out information or interact with their fans. So getting banned from a community is pretty can be pretty upsetting especially when you've already invested heavily into the game line. A bit anecdotal here, but I was banned from a community for discussing the half orcs and their origins. After talking with the admin I was told in no uncertain terms that if I had not been "right leaning" I would not have been banned and instead probably given a warning. I probably have around 400 dollars in physical merchandise from the game company associated in books and game aids. On the other hand with the Genesys RPG, there is an unofficial group that has set itself up as the defacto "community" and acts as if they were speaking on behalf of fantasy flight games and the rpg system, and the actual owners of the game don't seem to care.

Expanding this into OSR, i've found that OSR game communities are hit or miss and lately have been more miss than hit. I'm practically going blind from all the fucking rainbows. Hell even the WHFRP and 40k sites are going more and more woke to a disgusting degree. Not sure how a game with a literal rape monster ever got woke. I invested heavily into 5e D&D when it first came out as well until they got all woke (tomb of annihilation was the last straw for me) now they sit in a box in the attic.

Anyway the point to all this rambling besides just blowing off steam at my frustrations is how do we reasonably oppose these people and successfully gatekeep our hobby without getting yeeted from the internet or pretty much insta banned from a community. It has made me very hesitant to want to pick up new games because I hate to invest my time and money into a game where the devs hate me and would see me put in a fucking gulag if they could and what is apolitical or not woke today, won't necessarily be still apolitical or not woke tomorrow.

TL;DR How do we gatekeep the sjws/progressive nonsense without getting instantly yeeted off the internet.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxglAzZ-zTY

These days, just ignore them. Don't apologize to them. Not ever. If anything, post YouTube videos of how insane they are. See how ComicsGate has beat down SJWs. The SJWs are loosing. Going into hiding, etc.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on September 11, 2021, 03:03:35 PM

Quote from: Ocule on July 03, 2021, 11:07:15 AM
Wasn't sure if this belonged here or in the rpg pundits own thread, but anyway I wanted to discuss what we can actually do about the SJWs in the hobby. I've been fighting the good fight for a while now, standing up to those sjw bullies whenever they pop their stupid little heads up. Usually i'll use logic and reason, other times i'll use sarcasm and mockery if i think they're too dense to get the former but it always ends the same. A banning from whatever website or platform it's being discussed on. Normally I wouldn't give a flying rats ass about being banned from a politically charged cesspool, but i'm starting to despair as one community after another falls to this cult. I use community as in specific groups, such as discords, facebook groups and internet forums. Othertimes it will be a game company who made a game i really used to enjoy, though i find it harder and harder to actually enjoy content while trying to overlook the obvious jabs and commentary in their actual products.

I'll buy into a game series, spend my hard earned cash on a line of products and get involved with other players finding people to play the game or discuss the hobby with. It seems great but then give it a year or so and next thing you know either the majority of the online communities or the company itself falls to woke bullshit. Often times you have a group or two that establishes itself as the officially sanctioned unofficial group, (see Genesys RPG, or Savage Worlds). The devs are usually part of that community and use it as an official platform to put out information or interact with their fans. So getting banned from a community is pretty can be pretty upsetting especially when you've already invested heavily into the game line. A bit anecdotal here, but I was banned from a community for discussing the half orcs and their origins. After talking with the admin I was told in no uncertain terms that if I had not been "right leaning" I would not have been banned and instead probably given a warning. I probably have around 400 dollars in physical merchandise from the game company associated in books and game aids. On the other hand with the Genesys RPG, there is an unofficial group that has set itself up as the defacto "community" and acts as if they were speaking on behalf of fantasy flight games and the rpg system, and the actual owners of the game don't seem to care.

Expanding this into OSR, i've found that OSR game communities are hit or miss and lately have been more miss than hit. I'm practically going blind from all the fucking rainbows. Hell even the WHFRP and 40k sites are going more and more woke to a disgusting degree. Not sure how a game with a literal rape monster ever got woke. I invested heavily into 5e D&D when it first came out as well until they got all woke (tomb of annihilation was the last straw for me) now they sit in a box in the attic.

Anyway the point to all this rambling besides just blowing off steam at my frustrations is how do we reasonably oppose these people and successfully gatekeep our hobby without getting yeeted from the internet or pretty much insta banned from a community. It has made me very hesitant to want to pick up new games because I hate to invest my time and money into a game where the devs hate me and would see me put in a fucking gulag if they could and what is apolitical or not woke today, won't necessarily be still apolitical or not woke tomorrow.

TL;DR How do we gatekeep the sjws/progressive nonsense without getting instantly yeeted off the internet.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxglAzZ-zTY

These days, just ignore them. Don't apologize to them. Not ever. If anything, post YouTube videos of how insane they are. See how ComicsGate has beat down SJWs. The SJWs are loosing. Going into hiding, etc.

This bears repeating. Comicsgate has provided a blueprint for how you can expose these people for who they are with factually entertaining YT videos (Yaboi Zack and Ethan Van Sciver). But they are also producing shit successfully via Indiegogo. The fanbase is there and they will support people who are fighting this nonsense. They literally have money in their pockets and mainstream companies saying "we don't want your Bigot money!". Comicsgate is verifiably winning as more and more pros say "fuck it, I got nothing left to lose" and join up.

Hey, all! This is my first post here, and given how I found the forum I thought this would be the best thread to jump in. My name is Chris Fox. I'm an author by trade and have 40 novels in print, and 1 RPG, which we kickstarted early in 2020.

I've also been a Redditor for 11 years, and have watched it slide from a place of discussion to the echo chamber it is today. It was there I stumbled across this board, because as you can imagine they're not too pleased to see someone thinking for themselves.

I pride myself on giving back to the community. As almost everyone here can attest we were the geeks and outcasts growing up, so we accepted everyone into our hobby. By the 90s there were even *gasp* girls at the tables, many running amazing games.

When Critical Role took off and D&D became mainstream I couldn't believe my eyes. The hobby we'd loved our entire lives was being accepted, and growing, and flourishing. It was amazing!

Then the gatekeeping began. I was told for the first time, quietly of course, that I wasn't welcome at certain cons, or on certain panels because of my skin color. That the books selected for prizes were not selected by content, but rather by the person's identity. I got a real ugly look behind the Hugos and Nebulas.

I didn't understand that what was happening in books was also happening in gaming. And then WoTC started removing "racist" MTG cards. I mean, stone throwing devils? Like, what? Someone help me understand. It bothered me, but it wasn't until people started being called ists or phobes for talking about alignment that I really grasped how far this has really gone.

I've never liked alignment. I removed it from my table in the 90s, because it just felt too restrictive. But it is a part of D&D. Literal good and literal evil exist, and what spells affect them change based on their alignment. I watched poor nerds attempt to calmly explain this, and the response was horrifying.

There was no logic, only blanket ideology. You think gnomes should have a strength penalty, elves should have a dex bonus, and that demons are evil? You're an istophobe, and must repent, or be cleansed. They equate this to real world racism, and genuinely seem to feel that orcs in Middle Earth need just as much help as Uyghur Muslims in china. o.o

I think what makes this so difficult is that we grew up as the tolerant losers, because many of us were badly bullied. And so of course we let them in, and did what we could to make them comfortable. And now I get to watch Tracy Hickman get bullied on his own Facebook page into saying the words. It broke my heart.

I've reached a point where I've said no more. I won't be silent any longer. I took a stand on my YouTube channel. I have instilled hope, and heroism, and agency into my novels, and my RPGs. I will create inspiring culture, exactly how I wish, and I don't care what anyone thinks about it. My casts are diverse. I embrace LGBT+, and yeah I've got a big gay dragon. My best friend grew up trans before we had a word for it. Anyone and everyone is welcome at my table as long as they are kind to others, and there to game.

But I will not be bullied into checking boxes. I will not be told I'm an istophobe unless I bend the knee and make a list of changes. It's so nice not feeling alone any more. I've been hunting for a place like this for over a year. Every last forum I haunted going back to the late 90s has adopted the same diversity-over-content ideology. We need to stay strong, and guard the borders.

We have a huge advantage. There are millions, and millions, and millions of disenfranchised kids out there looking at this madness and saying...that's crazy. They're hunting for alternatives. I know, because I've made my living selling them books for the last six years.

Thanks for having me.

Good to meet you Chris.

Welcome to Mos Eisley.   

Quote from: ChrisFox on September 12, 2021, 10:49:43 AM
Hey, all! This is my first post here, ...

Thanks for having me.

Awesome introduction, welcome Chris!

Quote from: King_Stannis on September 11, 2021, 08:18:45 PM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on September 11, 2021, 03:03:35 PM

Quote from: Ocule on July 03, 2021, 11:07:15 AM
Wasn't sure if this belonged here or in the rpg pundits own thread, but anyway I wanted to discuss what we can actually do about the SJWs in the hobby. I've been fighting the good fight for a while now, standing up to those sjw bullies whenever they pop their stupid little heads up. Usually i'll use logic and reason, other times i'll use sarcasm and mockery if i think they're too dense to get the former but it always ends the same. A banning from whatever website or platform it's being discussed on. Normally I wouldn't give a flying rats ass about being banned from a politically charged cesspool, but i'm starting to despair as one community after another falls to this cult. I use community as in specific groups, such as discords, facebook groups and internet forums. Othertimes it will be a game company who made a game i really used to enjoy, though i find it harder and harder to actually enjoy content while trying to overlook the obvious jabs and commentary in their actual products.

I'll buy into a game series, spend my hard earned cash on a line of products and get involved with other players finding people to play the game or discuss the hobby with. It seems great but then give it a year or so and next thing you know either the majority of the online communities or the company itself falls to woke bullshit. Often times you have a group or two that establishes itself as the officially sanctioned unofficial group, (see Genesys RPG, or Savage Worlds). The devs are usually part of that community and use it as an official platform to put out information or interact with their fans. So getting banned from a community is pretty can be pretty upsetting especially when you've already invested heavily into the game line. A bit anecdotal here, but I was banned from a community for discussing the half orcs and their origins. After talking with the admin I was told in no uncertain terms that if I had not been "right leaning" I would not have been banned and instead probably given a warning. I probably have around 400 dollars in physical merchandise from the game company associated in books and game aids. On the other hand with the Genesys RPG, there is an unofficial group that has set itself up as the defacto "community" and acts as if they were speaking on behalf of fantasy flight games and the rpg system, and the actual owners of the game don't seem to care.

Expanding this into OSR, i've found that OSR game communities are hit or miss and lately have been more miss than hit. I'm practically going blind from all the fucking rainbows. Hell even the WHFRP and 40k sites are going more and more woke to a disgusting degree. Not sure how a game with a literal rape monster ever got woke. I invested heavily into 5e D&D when it first came out as well until they got all woke (tomb of annihilation was the last straw for me) now they sit in a box in the attic.

Anyway the point to all this rambling besides just blowing off steam at my frustrations is how do we reasonably oppose these people and successfully gatekeep our hobby without getting yeeted from the internet or pretty much insta banned from a community. It has made me very hesitant to want to pick up new games because I hate to invest my time and money into a game where the devs hate me and would see me put in a fucking gulag if they could and what is apolitical or not woke today, won't necessarily be still apolitical or not woke tomorrow.

TL;DR How do we gatekeep the sjws/progressive nonsense without getting instantly yeeted off the internet.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxglAzZ-zTY

These days, just ignore them. Don't apologize to them. Not ever. If anything, post YouTube videos of how insane they are. See how ComicsGate has beat down SJWs. The SJWs are loosing. Going into hiding, etc.

This bears repeating. Comicsgate has provided a blueprint for how you can expose these people for who they are with factually entertaining YT videos (Yaboi Zack and Ethan Van Sciver). But they are also producing shit successfully via Indiegogo. The fanbase is there and they will support people who are fighting this nonsense. They literally have money in their pockets and mainstream companies saying "we don't want your Bigot money!". Comicsgate is verifiably winning as more and more pros say "fuck it, I got nothing left to lose" and join up.

I must respectfully disagree. I'd say the OSR itself is a great blueprint of how to do things and "comicsgate" is NOT. What we should be striving for in entertainment is decentralization. OSR as a mentality and not an organization or movement.   For example, there are quite a few SJW OSR products. But due to the decentralized nature of the OSR that doesn't matter. Pundit can still be right wing and release his products because there is no OSR "industry" with a hierarchy to infiltrate. It doesn't matter that Pundit doesn't like retro clones or the "BroSR. And likewise for them too. Pundit can't decide that those people aren't allowed to be OSR or say they are OSR.

Comicsgate was SUPPOSED to be the same as per Richard Myer's original intent. But what actually happened is that Comicsgate is a "movement" now. A "community" with Ethan Van Sciver at it's head. He has control of what is or isn't Comicsgate And frankly, most Comicsgate products are shit. And those are the ones that actually release on time or have even been fulfilled at all.

What happened is Ethan decided he was going to be "in charge". He also decided he was going to dictate who was "comicsgate" and who was not. And what "Comicsgate" was allowed to publish. This meant that Doug Tennapel was not Comicsgate. Because he disagreed with Ethan. And wanted more Christian centric comics. Which Ethan decided was not allowed.  But Zack himself who engaged in the same behaviour as SJWs of laughing at customers and joking when he is a YEAR behind on several of his crowdfunded projects was fine.  Because he kissed the ring. As Ethan says, you have to "prove you are Comicsgate" before they pay any attention to you. And when you disagree with Ethan. That's proof you aren't Comicsgate. And this has happened several times. You have a core of people who either release late or mediocre products that are making less and less money every time. And then you have the hangers on who release absolute shit at best. But that's okay because they are comicsgate. But those mean old christians who made Earthworm Jim and still continue to be a success with a customer first mentality aren't really comicsgate for some reason. The whole point of Comicsgate as a MOVEMENT TO PUT THE CUSTOMER FIRST and STOP THE SJW NEPOTISM RESULTING IN BAD COMICS. Has resulted in bad comics that only get released because of the creator kissing enough ass.

The main issue is this. Due to the decentralized nature of the OSR. drama doesn't affect the product. Drama happens all the time in the OSR as we all know. But that's fine. It doesn't mean a former trusted member of "the community" is suddenly taboo and can't identify with the OSR at all. But Comicsgate is rife with the sort of petulant and downright autistic drama that comes from turning a consumer orientated mentality of Customers First into a cult of personality centered around what ONE person wants.

I like Pundit. But I don't want him or anyone else to decide what is or is not acceptable for the OSR.I do not want the OSR to become what Comicsgate is right now. The OSR is the future. It's robust and immune to infiltration because all the SJWs will just be on their islands. Success is determined by demand and not the word of ONE person.

Quote from: ChrisFox on September 12, 2021, 10:49:43 AM
Hey, all! This is my first post here, and given how I found the forum I thought this would be the best thread to jump in. My name is Chris Fox. I'm an author by trade and have 40 novels in print, and 1 RPG, which we kickstarted early in 2020.

I've also been a Redditor for 11 years, and have watched it slide from a place of discussion to the echo chamber it is today. It was there I stumbled across this board, because as you can imagine they're not too pleased to see someone thinking for themselves.

I pride myself on giving back to the community. As almost everyone here can attest we were the geeks and outcasts growing up, so we accepted everyone into our hobby. By the 90s there were even *gasp* girls at the tables, many running amazing games.

When Critical Role took off and D&D became mainstream I couldn't believe my eyes. The hobby we'd loved our entire lives was being accepted, and growing, and flourishing. It was amazing!

Then the gatekeeping began. I was told for the first time, quietly of course, that I wasn't welcome at certain cons, or on certain panels because of my skin color. That the books selected for prizes were not selected by content, but rather by the person's identity. I got a real ugly look behind the Hugos and Nebulas.

I didn't understand that what was happening in books was also happening in gaming. And then WoTC started removing "racist" MTG cards. I mean, stone throwing devils? Like, what? Someone help me understand. It bothered me, but it wasn't until people started being called ists or phobes for talking about alignment that I really grasped how far this has really gone.

I've never liked alignment. I removed it from my table in the 90s, because it just felt too restrictive. But it is a part of D&D. Literal good and literal evil exist, and what spells affect them change based on their alignment. I watched poor nerds attempt to calmly explain this, and the response was horrifying.

There was no logic, only blanket ideology. You think gnomes should have a strength penalty, elves should have a dex bonus, and that demons are evil? You're an istophobe, and must repent, or be cleansed. They equate this to real world racism, and genuinely seem to feel that orcs in Middle Earth need just as much help as Uyghur Muslims in china. o.o

I think what makes this so difficult is that we grew up as the tolerant losers, because many of us were badly bullied. And so of course we let them in, and did what we could to make them comfortable. And now I get to watch Tracy Hickman get bullied on his own Facebook page into saying the words. It broke my heart.

I've reached a point where I've said no more. I won't be silent any longer. I took a stand on my YouTube channel. I have instilled hope, and heroism, and agency into my novels, and my RPGs. I will create inspiring culture, exactly how I wish, and I don't care what anyone thinks about it. My casts are diverse. I embrace LGBT+, and yeah I've got a big gay dragon. My best friend grew up trans before we had a word for it. Anyone and everyone is welcome at my table as long as they are kind to others, and there to game.

But I will not be bullied into checking boxes. I will not be told I'm an istophobe unless I bend the knee and make a list of changes. It's so nice not feeling alone any more. I've been hunting for a place like this for over a year. Every last forum I haunted going back to the late 90s has adopted the same diversity-over-content ideology. We need to stay strong, and guard the borders.

We have a huge advantage. There are millions, and millions, and millions of disenfranchised kids out there looking at this madness and saying...that's crazy. They're hunting for alternatives. I know, because I've made my living selling them books for the last six years.

Thanks for having me.

Welcome to the mosh pit. Don't be afraid to toss some elbows.

First of all, remember that the mainstream is against you.

By that I mean the media, academia, leftist advocacy groups (e.g. the SPLC), etc. Also remember this is often because of who you are: a straight white male has three strikes against him already.

Baby Boomers still run things, and there is absolutely NO reasoning with most of them. Just a few days ago one was telling me to shut up- until she noticed I wasn't- and another simply said "I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS" and...ran off since I 1) was not in a classroom or such and could not be bullied and 2) I was almost his size.

And the elite- ever hear of George Soros?- isn't going broke.

So what you do is what a rather peculiar fellow known as "Hakim Bey" advised decades ago- sure he was not quite right in the head and never intended for us to use it maybe but like many such people he was spot on in certain ways. He knew "the revolution" was never coming so he advised TAZ: Temporary Autonomous Zone. The idea was you wear your ideals like a turtle's shell, taking it with you, and where things seemed right plant a seed. Since this concept had no central source for anyone to smash, since this means ANYONE could be an enemy of oppressors, it would actually work.

That's how you do it. Run AD&D games with no "woke." If people like it and play it, you've made a start right there. If you are an artist or writer do the same. Don't go to any Hollywood movies, deprive them of your money- and tell anyone else why if they ask. Cancel satellite and cable services. If a commercial bashes you or yours e-mail the company and tell them why you will not buy their products.

It's not easy, opposing the leftists, they can cause you trouble. But the past fifty years have shown that if you give an inch you might as well give up everything, because that is what is going to happen.

The one thing Baby Boomer leftists cannot understand is that they've won. They control it all- THEY ARE "THE MAN," THEY ARE THE MAINSTREAM. Therefore by definition to rebel now means rebelling against THEM and what they've created. And we all know how that bunch feels about that.   

Quote from: ChrisFox on September 12, 2021, 10:49:43 AM
Hey, all! This is my first post here, and given how I found the forum I thought this would be the best thread to jump in. My name is Chris Fox. I'm an author by trade and have 40 novels in print, and 1 RPG, which we kickstarted early in 2020.

{snip}

Hey Chris, Good to have you here. I've bought a few of your ebooks on writing (also a would be novelist myself) and subscribe to your mailinglist, and had no idea what you'd been through from SJWs. I hear you. We can be painted as bigots here, but frankly, most of us just want to be left alone and not have holier than though idealogues ruin our hobby.

Quote from: ChrisFox on September 12, 2021, 10:49:43 AM
I embrace LGBT+, and yeah I've got a big gay dragon.

I must admit that the purple colour did give it away.

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Comicsgate was SUPPOSED to be the same as per Richard Myer's original intent. But what actually happened is that Comicsgate is a "movement" now. A "community" with Ethan Van Sciver at it's head. He has control of what is or isn't Comicsgate And frankly, most Comicsgate products are shit. And those are the ones that actually release on time or have even been fulfilled at all.

This casts serious doubts on your entire post. I have a pile of great Comicsgate Comic Books that get regularly fulfilled and have been great additions to my comic collections. Not only do they immediately go up in value, but I've created a life long Cyberfrog/Salamandroid fan out of my son who is loving the comics and the toys. Ethan delivers, as do Jon Malin and the other CG members. That's not to mention the other comics that have done very well, including Narwal, Zach, Sweetcast, etc.

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What happened is Ethan decided he was going to be "in charge". He also decided he was going to dictate who was "comicsgate" and who was not. And what "Comicsgate" was allowed to publish. This meant that Doug Tennapel was not Comicsgate. Because he disagreed with Ethan.
And wanted more Christian centric comics. Which Ethan decided was not allowed.

That's not really what happened. Tennapel is fairly anti-homosexual in his views, and CG tries very hard to not to alienate any customers.  Tennapel and Miller butted heads hard against that fact and it caused a falling out. Not to mention some of Miller's own actions causing friction. (like signing his name to a dead man's artwork and trying to sell it)... There's way more background there than you are going into.

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But Zack himself who engaged in the same behaviour as SJWs of laughing at customers and joking when he is a YEAR behind on several of his crowdfunded projects was fine. 

Lies again. I listen to Zach every day, and he honestly and earnestly engages with his customers.  He ran into some issues that caused some issues to be late, but never by a great amount and most customers (including myself have been extremely happy with his offerings and the delivery schedule). Most backers realize they are dealing with an individual small business and don't get offended over a couple of months.

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Because he kissed the ring. As Ethan says, you have to "prove you are Comicsgate" before they pay any attention to you. And when you disagree with Ethan. That's proof you aren't Comicsgate. And this has happened several times. You have a core of people who either release late or mediocre products that are making less and less money every time. And then you have the hangers on who release absolute shit at best. But that's okay because they are comicsgate. But those mean old christians who made Earthworm Jim and still continue to be a success with a customer first mentality aren't really comicsgate for some reason. The whole point of Comicsgate as a MOVEMENT TO PUT THE CUSTOMER FIRST and STOP THE SJW NEPOTISM RESULTING IN BAD COMICS. Has resulted in bad comics that only get released because of the creator kissing enough ass.

Zach never kissed anyone's ring. In fact Zach almost never goes on any CG live streams and is still very successful, but that is mostly because Zach doesn't do or care for livestreams anymore. It is not because he isn't invited. He and EVS disagree on quite a few things, but are still friends and work together daily. Hell, Zach regularly casts doubt on the idea of CG being a formal group.  He and EVS have disagreements about that often, but they still stay friends, produce products and keep on rocking.

You keep saying their products are late or mediocre. How many do you own? As someone who owns stacks of them, it sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.

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The main issue is this. Due to the decentralized nature of the OSR. drama doesn't affect the product. Drama happens all the time in the OSR as we all know. But that's fine. It doesn't mean a former trusted member of "the community" is suddenly taboo and can't identify with the OSR at all. But Comicsgate is rife with the sort of petulant and downright autistic drama that comes from turning a consumer orientated mentality of Customers First into a cult of personality centered around what ONE person wants.

Honestly, I wouldn't care at this point, as a little gatekeeping against the SJWs is what's needed. If Pundit and other creators made more money, became more visible and had more and more creators on that didn't buy into the SJW nonsense, I could put up with a little drama on the way.