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RE: "How do we stop the D&D SJWs now"

Started by Ocule, July 03, 2021, 11:07:15 AM

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GriswaldTerrastone

#255
August 10, 2021, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 29, 2021, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on July 28, 2021, 10:07:17 PM
What is a "loot crate?" If it's about mobile gaming it is a blind spot, I only use laptops.

I prefer to learn about it from actual people who respond rather than an Internet search.

It's a phenonmenon on many games, not just mobile games.

You spend real world cash for in-game bennies, that are randomized in a virtual "box" of goodies. Like Experience point boosters, item "skins" (alternate appearances for gear), emotes (social things your character can do, like /cry or /laugh or /tango), in-game currency, and straight up superior gear.
The goal is to have rare items that only occasionally appear in a loot box so you buy a ton of them looking for rare stuff.
I got some loot crates for being a paid subscriber to Star Wars, The Old Republic and it made me so appaled I cancelled my sub and have only played as a "free" account since.


So essentially it's a ripoff?
I'm 55. My profile won't record this. It's only right younger members know how old I am.

Zelen

#256
August 10, 2021, 05:43:50 PM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on August 10, 2021, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 29, 2021, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on July 28, 2021, 10:07:17 PM
What is a "loot crate?" If it's about mobile gaming it is a blind spot, I only use laptops.

I prefer to learn about it from actual people who respond rather than an Internet search.

It's a phenonmenon on many games, not just mobile games.

You spend real world cash for in-game bennies, that are randomized in a virtual "box" of goodies. Like Experience point boosters, item "skins" (alternate appearances for gear), emotes (social things your character can do, like /cry or /laugh or /tango), in-game currency, and straight up superior gear.
The goal is to have rare items that only occasionally appear in a loot box so you buy a ton of them looking for rare stuff.
I got some loot crates for being a paid subscriber to Star Wars, The Old Republic and it made me so appaled I cancelled my sub and have only played as a "free" account since.


So essentially it's a ripoff?

It's a gambling system.
Whether you consider it a ripoff is entirely based on your subjective evaluation of whether playing a game is valuable and if owning convenience or prestige in that game is valuable.

The more pernicious aspect is since most games are now driven by this model, mainly targeting people who have low impulse control (which is to say, kids, poor, mentally disabled and ill, etc). I have a friend who I know who lives on public assistance because he's not competent to actually work, and has spent tens of thousands of dollars on lootboxes.

Shrieking Banshee

#257
August 10, 2021, 07:03:17 PM
Quote from: Zelen on August 10, 2021, 05:43:50 PMIt's a gambling system.

Its an exploitative shitty system that makes it worse for everybody. There is no such thing as a 'good' lootbox system. Even aesthetic one.

Being OK with it, and playing into it is like being OK to benefit from cheaper hot wings at a casino because they make most of their money through gullible people.

Ratman_tf

#258
August 10, 2021, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on August 10, 2021, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 29, 2021, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on July 28, 2021, 10:07:17 PM
What is a "loot crate?" If it's about mobile gaming it is a blind spot, I only use laptops.

I prefer to learn about it from actual people who respond rather than an Internet search.

It's a phenonmenon on many games, not just mobile games.

You spend real world cash for in-game bennies, that are randomized in a virtual "box" of goodies. Like Experience point boosters, item "skins" (alternate appearances for gear), emotes (social things your character can do, like /cry or /laugh or /tango), in-game currency, and straight up superior gear.
The goal is to have rare items that only occasionally appear in a loot box so you buy a ton of them looking for rare stuff.
I got some loot crates for being a paid subscriber to Star Wars, The Old Republic and it made me so appaled I cancelled my sub and have only played as a "free" account since.


So essentially it's a ripoff?

The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

trechriron

#259
August 10, 2021, 08:20:02 PM
OK, so after reading the most recent pages...

You're going to defeat the SJWs by playing video games?
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Shrieking Banshee

#260
August 10, 2021, 08:28:12 PM
Quote from: trechriron on August 10, 2021, 08:20:02 PMYou're going to defeat the SJWs by playing video games?

And by hating women, minorities, minority women, and jaywalking.

Shasarak

#261
August 10, 2021, 09:14:07 PM
Quote from: trechriron on August 10, 2021, 08:20:02 PM
You're going to defeat the SJWs by playing video games?

No, that would be silly.

Its by playing video games and enjoying them in inappropriate ways with friends.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

GriswaldTerrastone

#262
August 10, 2021, 09:35:37 PM
Loot crates sound like a greedy and cruel ripoff system. They know perfectly well what would happen to kids and the like.
I'm 55. My profile won't record this. It's only right younger members know how old I am.

Wntrlnd

#263
August 11, 2021, 05:33:08 AM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on August 10, 2021, 09:35:37 PM
Loot crates sound like a greedy and cruel ripoff system. They know perfectly well what would happen to kids and the like.

It is, and they do. They got so much negativity about it they renamed it "surprise mechanics"

Svenhelgrim

#264
August 11, 2021, 09:14:21 AM
Quote from: Wntrlnd on August 11, 2021, 05:33:08 AM

It is, and they do. They got so much negativity about it they renamed it "surprise mechanics"
Surprise! Your bank account is empty.

Trond

#265
August 11, 2021, 09:50:39 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on July 03, 2021, 03:55:09 PM
When I spoke out against the hate mob attacking Bob Bledsoe Jr all I got was grief from both sides. It was clear to me at that point that "the SJWs" were not the problem, merely a symptom of the problem. The issue is the entire idea that there's a line where if someone believes anything beyond that line, they need to be banned from RPGs. All that we have now are groups of people arguing as to where the line should be drawn. But any time you have such a line, it will always be moved to include more and more people. That part is inevitable.

The moment you say something like "D&D has always been Inclusive" or "D&D has always been Diverse" you've lost the argument because you are making the case that inclusivity and diversity are qualities on which an RPG should be judge. And if a little Inclusiveness is good, more Inclusiveness is better. So, one again you are simply arguing on how high a percentage of straight while males are allowed to play a game before that game is bad.

We need to completely reject the idea that RPGs should be judge on such criteria. That is the only way out of this mess.

Quote from: Ocule on July 03, 2021, 11:07:15 AMIt has made me very hesitant to want to pick up new games because I hate to invest my time and money into a game where the devs hate me and would see me put in a fucking gulag if they could and what is apolitical or not woke today, won't necessarily be still apolitical or not woke tomorrow.

This is the best course of action. Avoid the RPG industry and make your own games.

I agree with this. It's a GAME for crying out loud. The uncrossable line should be nowhere to be found. I don't care if it's a game about killing grandmas (as much as I like grandmas) or raping babies (as much as I hate pedos), or god forbid, a game designed to sell specifically (dare I say it) to men.  As long as it stays a game it's fine; it may or may not be my cup of tea but maybe it keeps someone from snapping.

consolcwby

#266
August 13, 2021, 10:16:57 PM
Quote from: Trond on August 11, 2021, 09:50:39 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on July 03, 2021, 03:55:09 PM
When I spoke out against the hate mob attacking Bob Bledsoe Jr all I got was grief from both sides. It was clear to me at that point that "the SJWs" were not the problem, merely a symptom of the problem. The issue is the entire idea that there's a line where if someone believes anything beyond that line, they need to be banned from RPGs. All that we have now are groups of people arguing as to where the line should be drawn. But any time you have such a line, it will always be moved to include more and more people. That part is inevitable.

The moment you say something like "D&D has always been Inclusive" or "D&D has always been Diverse" you've lost the argument because you are making the case that inclusivity and diversity are qualities on which an RPG should be judge. And if a little Inclusiveness is good, more Inclusiveness is better. So, one again you are simply arguing on how high a percentage of straight while males are allowed to play a game before that game is bad.

We need to completely reject the idea that RPGs should be judge on such criteria. That is the only way out of this mess.

Quote from: Ocule on July 03, 2021, 11:07:15 AMIt has made me very hesitant to want to pick up new games because I hate to invest my time and money into a game where the devs hate me and would see me put in a fucking gulag if they could and what is apolitical or not woke today, won't necessarily be still apolitical or not woke tomorrow.

This is the best course of action. Avoid the RPG industry and make your own games.

I agree with this. It's a GAME for crying out loud. The uncrossable line should be nowhere to be found. I don't care if it's a game about killing grandmas (as much as I like grandmas) or raping babies (as much as I hate pedos), or god forbid, a game designed to sell specifically (dare I say it) to men.  As long as it stays a game it's fine; it may or may not be my cup of tea but maybe it keeps someone from snapping.
I think everyone has their own 'Line-In-The-Sand', and mine is FATAL.  However, if you are talking about banning or burning, then I agree. Unless FATAL is included, then I say: BURN THE BITCH!  ;D
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Ratman_tf

#267
August 13, 2021, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: trechriron on August 10, 2021, 08:20:02 PM
OK, so after reading the most recent pages...

You're going to defeat the SJWs by playing video games?

You seem awfully eager for us to get around to defeating the SJWs. Be patient, my friend. Rome wasn't built in a day.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Trond

#268
August 14, 2021, 09:32:07 AM
Quote from: consolcwby on August 13, 2021, 10:16:57 PM
I think everyone has their own 'Line-In-The-Sand', and mine is FATAL.  However, if you are talking about banning or burning, then I agree. Unless FATAL is included, then I say: BURN THE BITCH!  ;D

My point is that I don't really have a line in the sand as far as text/drawings go. If we ban something because of a text, then American Psycho should probably have been banned years ago.

Jason Coplen

#269
August 14, 2021, 11:04:27 AM
Quote from: Ocule on July 17, 2021, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: Ravenswing on July 17, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
Oh noes!!  The Evul, Evul SJWs will not only ruin the hobby, but destroy civilization as well en route to bringing about the heat death of the universe!  They're going to send their Lawful Good Squads to force you to play their way!  They're going to ban everyone from even OWNING any game that doesn't have George Soros' personal signature on them!  All their products will cost $66.60 apiece! 

Help us, Obi-MAGA Kenobi!  You're our only hope!




There isn't one. He's being a whiny bitch.

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