The Frankfurt School was instrumental in influencing any number of elements meant to demoralize western civilization, from modernist art, to the politicization of environmentalist and peace activism, to student riots, the promotion of feminism, and the loosening of sexual mores. I'm not saying all of these things are bad, but the Frankfurt School intended them to be.

However, they're NOT responsible for Postmodernist Philosophy. They were from two different camps of the same vast movement (Marxism). Foucault had no time at all for the Frankfurt School's work. Hell, Habermas (who was from the Frankfurt School) engaged in intense debates with Derrida (postmodernism), and claimed (correctly, I would say) that Derrida's "Deconstructionist" postmodernism would provide no foundation for the creation of a new (marxist) society in the place of the devastation it would cause.

The postmodernists owe much closer connections to the Marxism of Sartre, even though they were also directly rejecting Sartre as being too boring, bourgeois, and conventional for them. I mean, given Foucault's preferred hobbies included giving Tunisian schoolboys HIV (part of what he would have called "Limit Experiences", which he believed were the only type of experiences that gave any meaning to living), I guess Sartre's beat poetry parties and mistresses was just far too mainstream-French for him.

But at those beat poetry jams, Satre was the one who taught various young college students his idea ("Necessary Violence") that absolutely no limits or principles matter in the pursuit of revolution. Among those who were listening to his teaching was a young Vientamese foreign student who would later call himself Pol Pot, and put Sartre's ideas into action.

The concept of "Necessary Violence" is fundamental to Postmodernism, and thus to SJW ideology. The difference is that Foucault and Derrida realized that the first place to apply it is in semantics and rhetoric, to control the NARRATIVE by any means necessary. If you can do that, then you will have a much easier time of killing anyone who opposes you later.

Quote from: Shasarak on July 23, 2021, 05:43:15 PM

Quote from: trechriron on July 23, 2021, 04:23:50 AM
Sorry to drop in so late...

But after 14 pages, have any of you figured out how you're going to stop us? Is there a plan? Can I help?

Have you tried to not be a racist?

Could be worth a try.

Racist or Rapist?

Quote from: Ocule on July 23, 2021, 04:54:33 PM
They have literally been trying to remove us from the hobby, and try to make existing products unpalatable to those they despise

Meh. 

People making stuff you don't want is stuff you don't have to buy.  People holding cons you don't want to go to means you don't go to those cons.  We make our games what we want with who we want.

Put another way: I don't care if a group of transwomen playing Sword Thirsty Lesbians by Evil Hat don't (or do) want me playing their game and buying that book*.  None of that interests me, so I'm literally out nothing by it existing.  "Well yeah, but they're also trying to take Alignment and Race out of D&D!"  So?  They can call Race "Ancestry" or "Lineage" or whatever nonsense they want to to pretend the game doesn't fictional species from another, and I can ignore a half-elf adventurer in a wheelchair in some picture**.

(*who the hell needs a dedicated book to justify playing a lesbian?  Want to play a lesbian?  Find a group that'll welcome you for playing a lesbian, and play a lesbian!  The product is a marketing gimmick and it crows it.)
(**it's D&D.  Healing spells, magical prosthetics, wishes, body transfers, and more are all options.  Much more likely than finding ADA compliant dungeons or castle towers.  Either the handicapped person is... well... handicapped, or the wheelchair is just an insensitive costume prop.)

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 24, 2021, 04:57:03 PM
The Frankfurt School was instrumental in influencing any number of elements meant to demoralize western civilization, from modernist art, to the politicization of environmentalist and peace activism, to student riots, the promotion of feminism, and the loosening of sexual mores. I'm not saying all of these things are bad, but the Frankfurt School intended them to be.

However, they're NOT responsible for Postmodernist Philosophy. They were from two different camps of the same vast movement (Marxism). Foucault had no time at all for the Frankfurt School's work. Hell, Habermas (who was from the Frankfurt School) engaged in intense debates with Derrida (postmodernism), and claimed (correctly, I would say) that Derrida's "Deconstructionist" postmodernism would provide no foundation for the creation of a new (marxist) society in the place of the devastation it would cause.

The postmodernists owe much closer connections to the Marxism of Sartre, even though they were also directly rejecting Sartre as being too boring, bourgeois, and conventional for them. I mean, given Foucault's preferred hobbies included giving Tunisian schoolboys HIV (part of what he would have called "Limit Experiences", which he believed were the only type of experiences that gave any meaning to living), I guess Sartre's beat poetry parties and mistresses was just far too mainstream-French for him.

But at those beat poetry jams, Satre was the one who taught various young college students his idea ("Necessary Violence") that absolutely no limits or principles matter in the pursuit of revolution. Among those who were listening to his teaching was a young Vientamese foreign student who would later call himself Pol Pot, and put Sartre's ideas into action.

The concept of "Necessary Violence" is fundamental to Postmodernism, and thus to SJW ideology. The difference is that Foucault and Derrida realized that the first place to apply it is in semantics and rhetoric, to control the NARRATIVE by any means necessary. If you can do that, then you will have a much easier time of killing anyone who opposes you later.

Hmmm.  I seem to remember awhile back when I posted something going into the philosophical background of all this stuff a while ago the thread got closed for being off-topic.

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 26, 2021, 02:55:20 PM

(*who the hell needs a dedicated book to justify playing a lesbian?  Want to play a lesbian?  Find a group that'll welcome you for playing a lesbian, and play a lesbian!  The product is a marketing gimmick and it crows it.)

It's not about needing a game just to play a lesbian. It's a tumblr web comic trashing of an anime with lesbianism in it called Revolutionary Girl Utena but the girls were too anime (which is now once again deemed shitlordy) and so it needs a lesson in snark and crowdfunding nonsense.

This is Utena about a girl who goes to a weird all girls military academy for the most famous and powerful people in the world and they wear uniforms and sword fight and duel. It's fetishy as hell and ridiculous but it takes its premise seriously and works as a sort of tragic romance. Think of it as Baki the Grappler but for girls and also for weirdos. 



Thirsty Sword Lesbians is a tumblr grotesque of it. It's too dainty and womany.

Evil Hat, are the people who called Cthulhu stuff racist and then brought you "Hey Cthulhu you big fucking nerd, I know you're here, where's my money" the rpg because public domain + wide brand recognition makes the "racism" okay if you snark about it.

They like this no IP licensing but wide brand recognition scam so they decided to make a parody/pastiche NOT-version of Utena, that has fat dumpy people, uggli-face to deflect the male gaze, bad grrl power and trender haircuts, band-aids over cutter marks, and artlessly declares itself to be lesbian in case no one picks up on it.
They crowd funded it so they could be seen pandering and teaching those Utena types what happens when you're too pretty and and not body positive enough.

What happens is cheap ugly instantly dated novelty crap-trash that looks like something a 4th rate R. Crumb groupie farted out to be controversial in 1977 and has sat in the back of an Oat Willie's ever since.

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Quote from: RPGPundit on July 24, 2021, 04:57:03 PM
The Frankfurt School was instrumental in influencing any number of elements meant to demoralize western civilization, from modernist art, to the politicization of environmentalist and peace activism, to student riots, the promotion of feminism, and the loosening of sexual mores. I'm not saying all of these things are bad, but the Frankfurt School intended them to be.

However, they're NOT responsible for Postmodernist Philosophy. They were from two different camps of the same vast movement (Marxism). Foucault had no time at all for the Frankfurt School's work. Hell, Habermas (who was from the Frankfurt School) engaged in intense debates with Derrida (postmodernism), and claimed (correctly, I would say) that Derrida's "Deconstructionist" postmodernism would provide no foundation for the creation of a new (marxist) society in the place of the devastation it would cause.

The postmodernists owe much closer connections to the Marxism of Sartre, even though they were also directly rejecting Sartre as being too boring, bourgeois, and conventional for them. I mean, given Foucault's preferred hobbies included giving Tunisian schoolboys HIV (part of what he would have called "Limit Experiences", which he believed were the only type of experiences that gave any meaning to living), I guess Sartre's beat poetry parties and mistresses was just far too mainstream-French for him.

But at those beat poetry jams, Satre was the one who taught various young college students his idea ("Necessary Violence") that absolutely no limits or principles matter in the pursuit of revolution. Among those who were listening to his teaching was a young Vientamese foreign student who would later call himself Pol Pot, and put Sartre's ideas into action.

The concept of "Necessary Violence" is fundamental to Postmodernism, and thus to SJW ideology. The difference is that Foucault and Derrida realized that the first place to apply it is in semantics and rhetoric, to control the NARRATIVE by any means necessary. If you can do that, then you will have a much easier time of killing anyone who opposes you later.

Hmmm.  I seem to remember awhile back when I posted something going into the philosophical background of all this stuff a while ago the thread got closed for being off-topic.

If you want to talk about the Frankfurt school, start a thread about it on the Pundit's forum.

It's one thing when they try to make their own original product and we all laugh or cringe at it. It's another when they find something you're already invested in and try to change it and go so far as to try and erase or change existing products. Kind of like with Star Wars good luck finding the original trilogy without the edits that were retconned in. A lot of older products like adnd and similar material now has a warning on it but it wouldn't surprise me if they started putting their edits in the PDFs even if you already own the copy and are now unable to download the original cut. Getting your hands on any of these originals is now cost prohibitive

Or 5e.... The corruption was subtle in the core rulebook, but every new release gets more and more in your face about it. The irritating part that drives me bananas about this is having introduced people to the game mechanics, having bought into the game rules and a few supplements. It's not a small investment, then they made their true colors known. It's hard getting people to switch systems especially one they just learned

Want to start resisting Frankfurt School/Post-Modernism, SJWs and the like right here and right now?

Stop referring to males and females as "gender." This was pushed by a lowlife by the name of Dr. Money. "Gender" actually refers to nouns in certain languages, such as "la chica" and "el chico."

This was the "foot in the door" that has led to the craziness about six dozen different "genders" in a dimorphic species.

The proper word is SEX. The human race like other animals has two distinct sexes. The dominant sex among Drow is the female sex. The dominant sex on Ayundell overall is the male sex.

By the by- since the Drow are a matriarchal society do you think that is another reason they can no longer be evil?


If my comments about the Frankfurt School are causing trouble please delete them.

Quote from: Ocule on July 26, 2021, 07:45:40 PM
It's one thing when they try to make their own original product and we all laugh or cringe at it. It's another when they find something you're already invested in and try to change it and go so far as to try and erase or change existing products. Kind of like with Star Wars good luck finding the original trilogy without the edits that were retconned in. A lot of older products like adnd and similar material now has a warning on it but it wouldn't surprise me if they started putting their edits in the PDFs even if you already own the copy and are now unable to download the original cut. Getting your hands on any of these originals is now cost prohibitive

Or 5e.... The corruption was subtle in the core rulebook, but every new release gets more and more in your face about it. The irritating part that drives me bananas about this is having introduced people to the game mechanics, having bought into the game rules and a few supplements. It's not a small investment, then they made their true colors known. It's hard getting people to switch systems especially one they just learned

Re: Star Wars OT original cuts, well I'm not saying people should but I would understand if they choose to sail the hihg seas. BTW I'm the happy owner of it.

Re : 5e... Someone or more likely some team should start working on a "retroclone" of it and the related products, 6e, the wokening, can't be too far.

Quote from: Ocule on July 26, 2021, 07:45:40 PMKind of like with Star Wars good luck finding the original trilogy without the edits that were retconned in.

Its easy. Google Despecialized Edition.
The truth is that the internet has made it easier then ever to find and maintain such communities. People have just been conditioned into corporate subservience and loving IPs instead of ideas.

Let D&D rot. It would have rotten eventually. Nothing lasts forever.

I was able to download the original "Star Wars" from the Internet, so they are out there.

Quote from: palaeomerus on July 26, 2021, 05:47:29 PM

Is the black lady smiling with a sword through her throat or is that just a perspective issue it's on the other side of her neck?

Quote from: Mind Crime on July 27, 2021, 01:09:45 AM

Quote from: palaeomerus on July 26, 2021, 05:47:29 PM

Is the black lady smiling with a sword through her throat or is that just a perspective issue it's on the other side of her neck?

It's supposed to be on the other side of her neck, judging from her sword's position. But that's what you get with shitty Tumblr art that wouldn't sell even on a fetish site. Whoever drew this should consider a different vocation.

Quote from: Ocule on July 26, 2021, 07:45:40 PM
It's one thing when they try to make their own original product and we all laugh or cringe at it. It's another when they find something you're already invested in and try to change it and go so far as to try and erase or change existing products. Kind of like with Star Wars good luck finding the original trilogy without the edits that were retconned in. A lot of older products like adnd and similar material now has a warning on it but it wouldn't surprise me if they started putting their edits in the PDFs even if you already own the copy and are now unable to download the original cut. Getting your hands on any of these originals is now cost prohibitive

Or 5e.... The corruption was subtle in the core rulebook, but every new release gets more and more in your face about it. The irritating part that drives me bananas about this is having introduced people to the game mechanics, having bought into the game rules and a few supplements. It's not a small investment, then they made their true colors known. It's hard getting people to switch systems especially one they just learned

   Well, in some ways I consider sunk costs as a sort of tax, I DO NOT agree with most of the outrageous things the USA spends their money on.  But I get no say in paying the taxes.   Products I already own, that have decided to take a path I heavily disagree with, well I can at least ignore the parent policy and play with the materials as I like.  In very rare cases I *might* "pay a tax" to people I do not like to get something I want, but more and more this is something I try to stay away from.   The sorts who want gay college prom are going to infect other people's creations, they have to.  Either because their own creative power is extremely limited, or they know things based on what they want to see and do are simply not palatable to the general public.

Quote from: jeff37923 on July 18, 2021, 10:04:49 PM
Umm, there are notable exceptions to the RPGs = gambling not taking off in the US. In several prisons and jails in the US, RPGs are considered gambling and considered contraband for inmates.

Thats not a whole state outlawing RPGs.