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Author Topic: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result  (Read 6095 times)

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Ravenloft has removed alignment from #dnd5e and Drow are now Good. This is all a Postmodernist plan to move #dnd away from myth and moral absolutes of heroic fantasy into "OMG So Random" soulless play.
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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2021, 11:05:46 AM »
So it's becoming, bit by bit, worse than 4th Edition. Yikes.

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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2021, 11:20:58 AM »
So it's becoming, bit by bit, worse than 4th Edition. Yikes.

4th Edition was misguided. 5th edition is just lazy and lucky.

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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2021, 11:27:21 AM »
So it's becoming, bit by bit, worse than 4th Edition. Yikes.

4th Edition was misguided. 5th edition is just lazy and lucky.
Coasting on reputation as well, but fair enough for now. A few more pegs knocked out though...

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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2021, 11:47:25 AM »
Gary decried D&D games that became "Dungeons & Beavers" by degrees of being changed.

This isn't even that.  This is...I don't know, Feelings & Asspats.
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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2021, 11:51:22 AM »
Like alignment has received a ton of flack over the years. I find it fits fine in D&D but there have been endless paladin debates because of this.

But Ravenloft? The place created by bonafide evil? Thats like the one place where you DON'T remove alignment.

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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2021, 12:01:08 PM »
"from myth and moral absolutes of heroic fantasy"

i take it back, pundit has no hate for didactic rpgs, he just wants the right didactics.
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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2021, 12:36:09 PM »
So, no more Planescape? The Planes are a hippie meeting where everybody is welcome?
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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2021, 12:49:33 PM »
Gary decried D&D games that became "Dungeons & Beavers" by degrees of being changed.

This isn't even that.  This is...I don't know, Feelings & Asspats.


Dungeons & Beavers.  That's quite funny.
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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2021, 12:53:43 PM »
So, no more Planescape? The Planes are a hippie meeting where everybody is welcome?

Most likely. After all, that setting birthed one of the best CRPGs ever made and also depends on the existence of the nine alignments by way of the nine planes around Sigil, and current year D&D can't have that now can it?

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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2021, 01:06:43 PM »
So, no more Planescape? The Planes are a hippie meeting where everybody is welcome?

Most likely. After all, that setting birthed one of the best CRPGs ever made and also depends on the existence of the nine alignments by way of the nine planes around Sigil, and current year D&D can't have that now can it?

  They could just lean heavily on the " 'Good' and 'Evil' are just labels and don't necessarily correspond to the actual morality of the positions--demons can be nice, on occasion, and angels are often tyrannical and judgmental." That would fit in with the 'Balance' ideology that goes back to Dragonlance at least, as well as the general zeitgeist that WotC worships and proclaims.

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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2021, 01:12:01 PM »
Regarding Planescape - my impression is that ever since the collapse of 2E, D&D has been much more limited in how many different official settings it will support. The business logic is that different settings fragment the customer base and make it harder to have network effects, which is D&D's strength. From what I read, Planescape hasn't been officially supported in any of 3E, 3.5E, or 4E.

On the other hand, there is an excellent Masque of Red Death official release in DM's Guild. So they are supporting some settings with minor releases. I did find a 61-page 5th edition Guide to Planescape that looked semi-official, but it seems like it is not being published - possibly an aborted attempt to get it published under the third-party license.

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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2021, 01:37:51 PM »
It's amusing to me that all the negative publicity directed towards WotC's newest D&D products by Pundit and the like is still publicity. These products keep on selling (supposedly better than ever) even if they aren't selling to the same old hands.

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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2021, 02:03:21 PM »
It's amusing to me that all the negative publicity directed towards WotC's newest D&D products by Pundit and the like is still publicity. These products keep on selling (supposedly better than ever) even if they aren't selling to the same old hands.
Most customers are mindless consumers who don't care about politics or being told how to play. They buy new stuff, play with it until it breaks, then move on to the next product.

All that stuff about "vistani/drow/orcs/w/e are racist, we need to change them!" is ignored by the overwhelming majority of groups. They'll play however they want to play, writer intent be damned.

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Re: Ravenloft Bans Alignment, Drow Now Good, Soulless Worlds Result
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2021, 02:13:30 PM »
It's amusing to me that all the negative publicity directed towards WotC's newest D&D products by Pundit and the like is still publicity. These products keep on selling (supposedly better than ever) even if they aren't selling to the same old hands.
Most customers are mindless consumers who don't care about politics or being told how to play. They buy new stuff, play with it until it breaks, then move on to the next product.

All that stuff about "vistani/drow/orcs/w/e are racist, we need to change them!" is ignored by the overwhelming majority of groups. They'll play however they want to play, writer intent be damned.

that doesn't sound that mindless if they're not adopting the book's viewpoint wholesale
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