Quote from: Neshm hiKumala;958749Absolutely. I had the same thought the other day while reading the latest Tekumel Collecting blog post.
Absolutely fascinating information. I'd buy a book filled with that sort of info (and more) in a heartbeat.

Most of the information is out there on-line; all you have to do is some deep digging, and you'll find it. Yes, I do answer some of those questions and point the way, but anybody with a bent for research can do this.

And no, I will not be the one writing the 'significant historical document' about this, either. I was told that I needed to change "To Serve The Petal Throne" from an account of some adventures into a Tekumel version of "Playing At The World" - with footnotes, lists, documents, etc. - and I simply balked. If some body wants to ask me questions and do their own book, I'm all for it.

When I went through all of Phil's files, paper and digital, I found exactly two Tekumel items that were entirely new to me - the draft of his 1950s novel and the last unfinished one. There is a lot of what to me is extremely fascinating materials that fill in some of the gaps and cracks in the published materials, and some really cool bits that really filled in some details about some things I'd wondered about. (Phil's letter files are a fascinating look int what he was thinking at the time, but as has been said, that's mostly biographical information.) It was being put about as part of the 1990s 'One True Tekumel' mythology that there were "filing cabinets full of the secrets of Tekumel", and that by supporting Barker's Own one could have access to that data.

Sorry; it wasn't true. What we have is what we have, and with Phil gone what we'll be seeing as 'new' material is what we - Tekumel's fans - can come up with based on our knowledge and love of Phil's creation. And in my mind, that's no bad thing.

Tekumel lives because of your adventures; that's the bare truth of it. Those of you who have slogged your way through TSTPT know about our adventures - now, run your own...

Quote from: Dulahan;958372That sounds like a hell of a project.  Especially when one doesn't have access to the files and texts.

I apologize for my peevish response to this the other day.

 It is totally understandable that you would believe there was all this hidden knowledge, just waiting to be unlocked but sadly out of your reach.

Especially if, as Chirine says, there may be some out there who encourage that belief.

I remember the 90s (and even the 00s) and the paralysis that came with passively waiting for the next droplets of received wisdom to trickle out of Minneapolis. It drove me nuts then, I don't think it was "good" for Tekumel fandom or for Tekumel itself, and I would hate to see a return to that.

Hence my peevishness, but you are clearly someone who has, reads, and thinks about the source material, and you are actively playing, clearly not "paralyzed," so there was no need to direct my peevishness at you personally. Sorry.

So I am currently reading the S&G sourcebook(not as quickly as I would like). I just wanted to mention(as has been done before) that there is so much there hidden in plain sight. References here and there for one to expand on. So if you do not all ready have a copy...get one!!! I also need to start looking into the Adventures on Tekumel books as well...I am trying not to be too lazy and ask Chirine about everything!!!
Though I know he always answers and points one in the right direction!!!

Enjoy Tekumel,

H:0)

PS I just figured I would remind myself(and others) of the wealth of information available and out there. Fantastic stuff!!! Not to mention the Book of Ebon Bindings for the supernatural...Dangerous!!!

There's a new post up on //www.tekumelcollecting.com

This one is about Professor Barker's Tékumel novels.  Have a look!

Quote from: tekumelcollecting;958834There's a new post up on //www.tekumelcollecting.com

This one is about Professor Barker's Tékumel novels.  Have a look!

Thumbs up!!! Welcome. Great blog. Can't wait to see what's next...

H:0)

Why is this thread 600 pages long? All about nothing yet it's STILL going on. Even RPG.net used to stop any thread at 100 pages. Guess they changed it a bit because they have a seriously whack fetish for Exalted. But 600 pages of bullshit composed of multiple unrelated topics and discussion therein? Seriously disappointed with the actual direction of this this thread. So misleading and disappointing. Wow. I liked that name Chairine Ba Kal. I assumed it about some gay roleplayer and their experiences not some model builder from 1970. At least as far as I can care to tell from this convoluted abomination of a thread.

Quote from: Marleycat;958894Why is this thread 600 pages long? All about nothing yet it's STILL going on. Even RPG.net used to stop any thread at 100 pages. Guess they changed it a bit because they have a seriously whack fetish for Exalted. But 600 pages of bullshit composed of multiple unrelated topics and discussion therein? Seriously disappointed with the actual direction of this this thread. So misleading and disappointing. Wow. I liked that name Chairine Ba Kal. I assumed it about some gay roleplayer and their experiences not some model builder from 1970. At least as far as I can care to tell from this convoluted abomination of a thread.

Love your comments; I find the vast majority of threads on this and every other RPG site just as convoluted and pointless, full of people who are very full of themselves and pretty much the same kind of people I've had to put up with for the last four decades. So, it's nice to know that things have not changed a whit, over the years.

If you're disappointed, may I suggest contacting the Powers-that-be here and offering your time and energy to become the official moderator of this thread? That way, you can mold and shape the thing to be what you'd want it to be, instead of people simply asking me questions and my giving them what answers I can. I think it would certainly help organize things, and help you cope with your being mislead and disappointed.

As for the gay roleplayer part, can't help you with the throbbing manhood plunged between quivering thighs stuff; you'll have to go elsewhere for that - sorry!

Quote from: Marleycat;958894Why is this thread 600 pages long? All about nothing yet it's STILL going on. Even RPG.net used to stop any thread at 100 pages. Guess they changed it a bit because they have a seriously whack fetish for Exalted. But 600 pages of bullshit composed of multiple unrelated topics and discussion therein? Seriously disappointed with the actual direction of this this thread. So misleading and disappointing. Wow. I liked that name Chairine Ba Kal. I assumed it about some gay roleplayer and their experiences not some model builder from 1970. At least as far as I can care to tell from this convoluted abomination of a thread.

Commentator lets world peek inside his/her unhappy, helpless life; one, like many others, that is fueled by fear, of being left behind, of "not getting it", of his/her own limitations, and even, perhaps, of his own sexual proclivities.

Good luck.

Quote from: Marleycat;958894Why is this

I am going to allow this post and Chirine response to stay but I am deleting Neshm response and any further response on this as off topic.

As for your concerns Marleycat I suggest you goto to this link and practice the exercises. If you fail to heed my advice I will mock you incessantly and change your tagline to Clueless Cat for failing to understanding simple English.

This is for everybody else, normally calling another poster or thread; stupid, idiotic, or any number of other choice insult is not grounds for any type of moderation. Most of us have been around the Internet enough to know how this type of thread works. If I have to spell it out I will. But I am going to go with the fact that you the reader has more than a 3 Intelligence in this regard.

Chirine if you ever start a part II let me know and I will close this thread.

Quote from: tekumelcollecting;958834There's a new post up on //www.tekumelcollecting.com

This one is about Professor Barker's Tékumel novels.  Have a look!

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"The Man of Gold and Flamesong read as novels, but the last three novels read like well-edited renditions of an RPG game, which is what they were."
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chirine, how closely do these books follow the "actual play", if it is true they are "renditions of an RPG game"?

Was this the play group you were a part of or a combination of both groups?

Will your book expand on these or be in parallel?
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Quote from: estar;958912I am going to allow this post and Chirine response to stay but I am deleting Neshm response and any further response on this as off topic.

As for your concerns Marleycat I suggest you goto to this link and practice the exercises. If you fail to heed my advice I will mock you incessantly and change your tagline to Clueless Cat for failing to understanding simple English.

This is for everybody else, normally calling another poster or thread; stupid, idiotic, or any number of other choice insult is not grounds for any type of moderation. Most of us have been around the Internet enough to know how this type of thread works. If I have to spell it out I will. But I am going to go with the fact that you the reader has more than a 3 Intelligence in this regard.

Chirine if you ever start a part II let me know and I will close this thread.

This doesn't seem to be the MarleyCat that I know and respect. This seems to be some other kind of marleycat, ...like maybe a sock puppet type of marleycat.

One of the things I like about having my own websites, is that I can check the IPs of visitors and determine where they originate from.  Even if they arrive incognito, or use a proxy, or a VPN, the IP of the originating web page request is unique and forms a signature that i can use, if not to personally identify the poster,  to verify the poster is consistently arriving from the same incognito network or location.

The Marley I knew never used to sign on here to mess with other RPG folks, but instead was interested in making her game better, and spent her time talking about  the games she liked to run and play. Marley, where are you? Where have you gone? What happened? Cynicism never seemed like your style...

Quote from: estar;958912I am going to allow this post and Chirine response to stay but I am deleting Neshm response and any further response on this as off topic.

As for your concerns Marleycat I suggest you goto to this link and practice the exercises. If you fail to heed my advice I will mock you incessantly and change your tagline to Clueless Cat for failing to understanding simple English.

This is for everybody else, normally calling another poster or thread; stupid, idiotic, or any number of other choice insult is not grounds for any type of moderation. Most of us have been around the Internet enough to know how this type of thread works. If I have to spell it out I will. But I am going to go with the fact that you the reader has more than a 3 Intelligence in this regard.

Chirine if you ever start a part II let me know and I will close this thread.

My hat's off to you estar for a perfect response to an utterly pointless post. Even if this comment gets purged I'll still throw in my two cents worth.
 Too many threads on this forum have been derailed by persons who have petulantly taken a dislike to an element of the thread and have proceeded to post provocative things that ultimately cause the whole thing to crash and burn. Those of us who are active participants on this thread find it to be a fascinating and insightful look on a subject that we like. We are not demanding that everyone else join in the discussion, nor do we exclude those that pop in. Chirine is providing a tonne of information, and for those of us who are running Tekumel games, or that have an interest in the milieu, this is a valuable addition. Leave us alone in our quiet corner of the forum if you are not interested in what we are talking about. If you are interested pull up a chair and join in.

Shemek

Quote from: chirine ba kal;958903Love your comments; I find the vast majority of threads on this and every other RPG site just as convoluted and pointless, full of people who are very full of themselves and pretty much the same kind of people I've had to put up with for the last four decades. So, it's nice to know that things have not changed a whit, over the years.

If you're disappointed, may I suggest contacting the Powers-that-be here and offering your time and energy to become the official moderator of this thread? That way, you can mold and shape the thing to be what you'd want it to be, instead of people simply asking me questions and my giving them what answers I can. I think it would certainly help organize things, and help you cope with your being mislead and disappointed.

As for the gay roleplayer part, can't help you with the throbbing manhood plunged between quivering thighs stuff; you'll have to go elsewhere for that - sorry!

This exactly.

Quote from: Zirunel;958774I apologize for my peevish response to this the other day.

 It is totally understandable that you would believe there was all this hidden knowledge, just waiting to be unlocked but sadly out of your reach.

Especially if, as Chirine says, there may be some out there who encourage that belief.

I remember the 90s (and even the 00s) and the paralysis that came with passively waiting for the next droplets of received wisdom to trickle out of Minneapolis. It drove me nuts then, I don't think it was "good" for Tekumel fandom or for Tekumel itself, and I would hate to see a return to that.

Hence my peevishness, but you are clearly someone who has, reads, and thinks about the source material, and you are actively playing, clearly not "paralyzed," so there was no need to direct my peevishness at you personally. Sorry.

No sweat!  And really, my original comment was as much because I liked the Professor's Sourcebook style too, the frankly academic style way it was approached was nice.  Especially as somewhat of a failed academic myself.  (Failed in no small part because I have some rather severe anxiety when it comes to writing long documents!  Which of course ties into the other reason I'd fail at writing a history of Bedjnalla)

Now, onto related...

Recently another game setting I enjoy (Legend of the Five Rings) has had some pretty major news.  And that as always happens with nerd-dom, has led to heated discussions, one of them how bad GMs will use the intricate social mores of said game to really screw over the PCs instead of easing them into it.  A problem perpetuated slightly be the early adventures having some pretty shaky scenarios.  Moral of the story?  Tekumel's sadly not alone in having jerk GMs that like lording their knowledge over things instead of remembering FUN is the point!  Nor does every player enjoy playing like that.

Thankfully, I am doing my best to ease.

To be fair, though, 600 pages is a VERY long thread.

Guys, start a part II, link back to this one for historical reference! This is not a judgment about Chirine or anyone else here, only a statement on the length of the thread.