I specifically meant Jakalla since that is the traditional starting place.
On a separate note ... how are people named? Typically in societies where the family is more important than the individual the family name is given first.
In EPT shouldn't it be Clan, Family, then Given name?
The rule book doesn't do this so the importance of Clan over individual is not as front and center as later sources emphasize.
In your opinion wouldn't this be a simple way to reinforce that Clan comes First?
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See my previous post on food...
Names - here we go!!!
Generally, in the Five Empires it's 'personal', 'lineage', and 'clan'. In the Nyemsel Islands, it's always 'lineage/clan' (they are the same thing, there) first, followed by the personal name; hence, Lord Chirine ba Kal of the Clan of the Iron Helm, and Lady Si N'te. Titles and positions get tacked on at the end of the clan name; the honorific 'lord/lady' title is at the beginning, as are military and temple rank titles.
In EPT / Tekumel, as Phil did it, one was never called 'personal name' by anyone but the closest of personal friends or clan-siblings. One was always introduced as 'rank' (if any) 'personal' 'lineage' 'clan', which told the person you were meeting just who you were and where you were in society. Also, you are wearing your clan's unique glyph, which tell anyone looking at you what your family is. You often have your temple glyph displayed as well; normally, you can be identified by your dress and accessories at a distance, which tell on-looker what family / clan you are from.
The Tsolyani concept of the family is a little different from ours. I am part of a lineage (an obscure one, admittedly!), and I have a large and extended 'family' of co-husbands, co-wives, co-children, and hordes of co-cousins. Some are part of my lineage, some are not; some are part of my clan, some are not. Let's look at my teen-aged daughter Elara (her mother is classically-minded) as an example. Elara was born out of an encounter with her mother while the party was staying in their village; the custom of that place, as they are mostly Avanthe worshippers, is for a guest to lie with the village headman's wife for a night in return for the village's hospitality. I got 'volunteered' by the party, and Elara came along nine months later. We all sat around the village working out the timing, (and since the kid looks like me but better) and so I acknowledged her as my child. Due to my frequent travels, she has been raised in the village by her mother and father - I have been 'adopted' as a co-husband. After I got married, Their Ladyships all adopted her themselves, which resulted in her having -
I need to take a deep breath, here, and use all my fingers and toes to get this right - a total of:
Two fathers; three mothers; three 'aunties'; and eleven co-siblngs, consisting of eight girls and five boys, all of different ages. Three of this mob, the twins and Elara, are 'mine' by genetics; the rest are my adopted kids. (And that's just from 'my side' of the family.) On her mother's side, she's got a whole bunch more siblings, all of which are considered cousins to the kids I have. (The reverse is also true, by the way.) I am, to my great delight, their "Uncle Chirine".
I also have heaps of my own lineage- and clan-cousins, like my cousin Tsomukh ba Kal over at the Temple of Thumis, where she's a Scholar-Priestess specializing in astronomy.
This why you usually have a majordomo to keep it all straight, or the elders of the clan or village. And, if I may quote my large - and lethal! - collection of kids: "She's
our sister. Got a problem with that, Noble Sir?"
Inside the family quarters, there is no rank or title; 'seniority' is by generation, with honorifics like 'poppa', 'momma', 'uncle', 'auntie', and 'cousin' as examples. out in public, it's all three names for introductions, and the honorific for regular use. I am normally addressed as 'Sir' by my troops, with an occasional 'Lord' or 'Commander' thrown in for variety; Their Ladyships address me as 'Husband', and the older kids as appropriate to the situation - some of them are also my officers. The younger kids try to use the right honorific, but usually it's "Oi! Poppa!" - followed by a request to get the keys to the palanquin for the evening...
Has any of this helped? I can see where you're coming from, but Phil tended to use the forms he'd learned in South Asia. Hence all of the above; I've described this to people from there, and they think it's all perfectly normal - "Just like we do at home!", gushed one matronly 'Auntie' I was explaining Tekumel to at Phil's memorial event...