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Author Topic: Project Black Flag Playtests  (Read 3344 times)

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Re: Project Black Flag Playtests
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2023, 04:09:59 PM »
Totally off subject question here....when you click on user profiles here, does it show the person's personal email? I can see mine when I click on it.

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Re: Project Black Flag Playtests
« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2023, 04:10:42 PM »
I'm going to check it out. Anything to help hurt WotC I am in favor of. What WotC is trying to do transcends little political gripes because WotC is challenging the entire core of open source/licenses and big tech is starting to notice.

Kobold Press putting a single paragraph of stupid wokeness in one book is Insignificant compared to WotC trying to upend not just the RPG industry, but challenging open source itself.
Yeah, I'm of the same mind.

Also, as colorful as she is, you can't judge someone based on looks. For every gruff looking guy who's actually super woke, there's a rowdy bitch with danger hair who's down to earth and fun.

Okay.
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Re: Project Black Flag Playtests
« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2023, 04:18:50 PM »
I'm going to check it out. Anything to help hurt WotC I am in favor of. What WotC is trying to do transcends little political gripes because WotC is challenging the entire core of open source/licenses and big tech is starting to notice.

Kobold Press putting a single paragraph of stupid wokeness in one book is Insignificant compared to WotC trying to upend not just the RPG industry, but challenging open source itself.
Yeah, I'm of the same mind.

Also, as colorful as she is, you can't judge someone based on looks. For every gruff looking guy who's actually super woke, there's a rowdy bitch with danger hair who's down to earth and fun.

I'd say it's more down to who the last several new hires at Kobold are. And I'm with you, anything that can hurt WotC is good.

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Re: Project Black Flag Playtests
« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2023, 04:23:40 PM »
Totally off subject question here....when you click on user profiles here, does it show the person's personal email? I can see mine when I click on it.


   I believe so--I think someone was able to use it to get in touch with me a couple of weeks ago.

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Re: Project Black Flag Playtests
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2023, 04:31:39 PM »
Totally off subject question here....when you click on user profiles here, does it show the person's personal email? I can see mine when I click on it.

Not on yours, no. I can see my own, but pretty sure you can't. This might be configurable but (1) I doubt it and (2) the "account" panel options are broken at the moment (for me at least) so I can't check for such a setting.
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Re: Project Black Flag Playtests
« Reply #65 on: January 25, 2023, 04:33:08 PM »
Totally off subject question here....when you click on user profiles here, does it show the person's personal email? I can see mine when I click on it.


   I believe so--I think someone was able to use it to get in touch with me a couple of weeks ago.

Not sure how they found your email address, but I don't think it's visible via your profile. I certainly don't see it.
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« Reply #66 on: January 25, 2023, 04:38:23 PM »
Totally off subject question here....when you click on user profiles here, does it show the person's personal email? I can see mine when I click on it.

Click on someone else's and see for yourself, IME no you can't except your own.
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« Reply #67 on: January 25, 2023, 04:42:57 PM »
I'm going to check it out. Anything to help hurt WotC I am in favor of. What WotC is trying to do transcends little political gripes because WotC is challenging the entire core of open source/licenses and big tech is starting to notice.

Kobold Press putting a single paragraph of stupid wokeness in one book is Insignificant compared to WotC trying to upend not just the RPG industry, but challenging open source itself.
Yeah, I'm of the same mind.

Also, as colorful as she is, you can't judge someone based on looks. For every gruff looking guy who's actually super woke, there's a rowdy bitch with danger hair who's down to earth and fun.

I'd say the proportion is actually something like 1:1000, meaning 1 danger hair isn't crazy. So I totally can judge people based on looks, estereotypes exist for a reason, it's shortcuts our brains take to make decisions.

You see coming towards you a group of say 5 young guys, tanktops, pants below their asses, tatoos all over, you immediatilly assume what?

Unless you are familiar enough you can't distinguish a coral viper from the ones that imitate them, are you gonna take the risk?
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« Reply #68 on: January 25, 2023, 04:52:03 PM »
Unless you are familiar enough you can't distinguish a coral viper from the ones that imitate them, are you gonna take the risk?

Of course not, but what's the risk here? Unless you have to pay to be part of the playtest, it's just an investment of time. Talking about it keeps WotC's shenanigans fresh in everyone's mind, so they can't sweep it under the rug for the launch of OneD&D - that's worthwhile time IMO. Playtest it, give feedback, they'll accept it or not. And at a certain point you're probably going to leave anyway.

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« Reply #69 on: January 25, 2023, 05:04:03 PM »
Unless you are familiar enough you can't distinguish a coral viper from the ones that imitate them, are you gonna take the risk?

Of course not, but what's the risk here? Unless you have to pay to be part of the playtest, it's just an investment of time. Talking about it keeps WotC's shenanigans fresh in everyone's mind, so they can't sweep it under the rug for the launch of OneD&D - that's worthwhile time IMO. Playtest it, give feedback, they'll accept it or not. And at a certain point you're probably going to leave anyway.

Spending money on anything from Kobold... I wouldn't.

Those are two different questions:

Can/should you judge if someone with danger hair IS a danger hair? I say yes.

Is Black Flag something of value for the hobby? I say yes, even if just for the reasons you cited assuming it's utter shit (and we don't know how good/bad, woke/unwoke it is yet).
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Re: Project Black Flag Playtests
« Reply #70 on: January 25, 2023, 05:13:30 PM »
I'd say the proportion is actually something like 1:1000, meaning 1 danger hair isn't crazy. So I totally can judge people based on looks, estereotypes exist for a reason, it's shortcuts our brains take to make decisions.
Yeah, well, if you decide 999/1000 danger hairs are crazy, then you will stop talking with them and so you will never know. That's the definition of prejudice.

It's the same as someone saying "He had an American flag on his pickup truck, so I knew he was a white supremacist." We all know that's ridiculous, but it cuts both ways.

Unless you're repeatedly getting screwed over by danger hairs (in real life, not Twitter), you're operating on prejudice. Which is fine if that's how you want to be.

Actions are important, not looks.

You see coming towards you a group of say 5 young guys, tanktops, pants below their asses, tatoos all over, you immediatilly assume what?

I clutch my pearls? I dunno, man. I assume they're going to be loud jackasses, but probably just regular dudes.

If you're facing threat of violence, then it's smart to avoid people who look violent. Prejudice and stereotype can save your life, absolutely.

But we are talking about elf games, man. Context and perspective.

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« Reply #71 on: January 25, 2023, 05:24:53 PM »
I'd say the proportion is actually something like 1:1000, meaning 1 danger hair isn't crazy. So I totally can judge people based on looks, estereotypes exist for a reason, it's shortcuts our brains take to make decisions.
Yeah, well, if you decide 999/1000 danger hairs are crazy, then you will stop talking with them and so you will never know. That's the definition of prejudice.

It's the same as someone saying "He had an American flag on his pickup truck, so I knew he was a white supremacist." We all know that's ridiculous, but it cuts both ways.

Unless you're repeatedly getting screwed over by danger hairs (in real life, not Twitter), you're operating on prejudice. Which is fine if that's how you want to be.

Actions are important, not looks.

You see coming towards you a group of say 5 young guys, tanktops, pants below their asses, tatoos all over, you immediatilly assume what?

I clutch my pearls? I dunno, man. I assume they're going to be loud jackasses, but probably just regular dudes.

If you're facing threat of violence, then it's smart to avoid people who look violent. Prejudice and stereotype can save your life, absolutely.

But we are talking about elf games, man. Context and perspective.

So I should wait until someone tries to ruin my life or threatens violence BEFORE taking rational steps to avoid getting into those sittuations...

Nope, you can call me all the istophobes you want, once upon a time those words held power, NOW? IDGAFF what labels people want to try and stick to me.

If avoiding all the people that dress like thugs makes me a prejudiced individual so be it. Same with the Danger Hairs.

Would you say the same about a guy that dresses like an officer of the SS? Not to go to a party, not as a joke/prank or to be edgy, someone who goes out everyday dressed like an officer of the SS.

I bet you would make some very reasonable assumptions about the guy.

If you wear che guevara T-Shirts it's safe to assume you a commie.

If you die your hair in unnatural colors it's safe to assume you a Danger Hair.

Don't want to be judged a thug, Danger Hair, Nazi, Commie? Don't looking like one is the first step, and that's on YOU not the people judging your looks and assuming you're a part of the group you look like.
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Re: Project Black Flag Playtests
« Reply #72 on: January 25, 2023, 05:34:21 PM »
So I should wait until someone tries to ruin my life or threatens violence BEFORE taking rational steps to avoid getting into those sittuations...

Nope, you can call me all the istophobes you want, once upon a time those words held power, NOW? IDGAFF what labels people want to try and stick to me.

If avoiding all the people that dress like thugs makes me a prejudiced individual so be it. Same with the Danger Hairs.

Would you say the same about a guy that dresses like an officer of the SS? Not to go to a party, not as a joke/prank or to be edgy, someone who goes out everyday dressed like an officer of the SS.

I bet you would make some very reasonable assumptions about the guy.

If you wear che guevara T-Shirts it's safe to assume you a commie.

If you die your hair in unnatural colors it's safe to assume you a Danger Hair.

Don't want to be judged a thug, Danger Hair, Nazi, Commie? Don't looking like one is the first step, and that's on YOU not the people judging your looks and assuming you're a part of the group you look like.
This went from fuchsia hair to full-time SS uniform pretty quick, my friend.

I personally have friends with a wide range of appearances and they're all pretty chill. Not a commie, nazi, etc among them. I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life. But I agree avoiding violence is good, so do what you need to do.

Edit: Not every fashion choice is a declaration of ideology. Lots of regular normal everyday people look how they look because they think it looks cool/sexy/nice/scary, etc.
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Re: Project Black Flag Playtests
« Reply #73 on: January 25, 2023, 05:44:19 PM »
There are tentative, preliminary assessments, and then there's more firm, even final ones.  Based on what has been said, shown thus fair, I'm going to tentatively make my preliminary assessment that the game is probably not going to be even worth my time to evaluate.  What's the worst that will happen?  I'll miss out on something I might like.

When there is a real product, and it's been out for awhile, and others that make a different assessment of their time have given it reviews that make me question my preliminary view, then I'll probably think again.  What's the worst that can happen?  I'll miss out on something for a year or two--during which time it was probably not going to be a priority anyway.  So effectively, no risk.

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« Reply #74 on: January 25, 2023, 06:18:43 PM »
Meet the senior game designer for the project:

https://twitter.com/cconowitch

If you had ANY doubts it was gonna be woke as fuck.
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

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