This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.
NOTICE: Some online security services are reporting that information for a limited number of users from this site is for sale on the "dark web." As of right now, there is no direct evidence of this, but change your password just to be safe.

Author Topic: PCs training NPCs?  (Read 254 times)

Jam The MF

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 41
    • View Profile
PCs training NPCs?
« on: May 03, 2021, 08:34:04 PM »
Can a PC choose to train an NPC, and cause the NPC to gain levels in character classes?

In other words, can you train your own help?

I'd allow it at my table.  How would you handle it?
I need you to roll a perception check.

Ratman_tf

  • Alt-Reich Shitlord
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6218
    • View Profile
Re: PCs training NPCs?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2021, 08:59:59 PM »
Sure. I'd probably make it part of a "domain management" thing, even if it's a small domain, like a guild or faction.
Otherwise, henchmen were a part of the game. We had a ton of them back when I was playing AD&D.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

S'mon

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11757
    • View Profile
Re: PCs training NPCs?
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2021, 01:45:43 AM »
Can a PC choose to train an NPC, and cause the NPC to gain levels in character classes?

In other words, can you train your own help?

I'd allow it at my table.  How would you handle it?

Yes, happened in my game just yesterday, using the 5e DMG training rules. A PC Barbarian-4 trained an NPC Barbarian-2 up to 3rd level. I ruled she made half the DMG training cost in profit - 10gp!

Jam The MF

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 41
    • View Profile
Re: PCs training NPCs?
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2021, 02:06:11 AM »
Can a PC choose to train an NPC, and cause the NPC to gain levels in character classes?

In other words, can you train your own help?

I'd allow it at my table.  How would you handle it?

Yes, happened in my game just yesterday, using the 5e DMG training rules. A PC Barbarian-4 trained an NPC Barbarian-2 up to 3rd level. I ruled she made half the DMG training cost in profit - 10gp!


Sounds good to me.
I need you to roll a perception check.

Omega

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • O
  • Posts: 14898
    • View Profile
Re: PCs training NPCs?
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2021, 03:18:22 AM »
Pretty much been a feature of D&D from the get-go. NPCs, henchmen retainers, etc gain a cut of any EXP that they participated in. The NPCs were also the backup pool of potential replacement characters if a PC was killed or incapacitated.

5e has two systems now. The normal one for hirelings and NPCs, and a second one for the Sidekick/Companion system.

Other RPGs have approached it from various angles but most allow for NPCs to grow.

VisionStorm

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1235
    • View Profile
Re: PCs training NPCs?
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2021, 06:52:58 AM »
Pretty much been a feature of D&D from the get-go. NPCs, henchmen retainers, etc gain a cut of any EXP that they participated in.

This is pretty much how I've always handled it. I simply assume that any NPC the PCs take a liking to who tags along gets a cut of the XP and advances in level normally. But since the PCs are the ones in charge of the expedition or whatever they take a bigger cut of the treasure, while NPC tag-alongs take scraps, along with the benefits of tutorship from hardened adventurers.

FingerRod

  • Newbie
  • *
  • F
  • Posts: 30
    • View Profile
Re: PCs training NPCs?
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2021, 08:29:40 AM »
This has been done a variety of ways across the editions, the main differences being how experience and treasure are handled. NPCs are typically controlled by the GM, but like all things, do whatever is fun.

The Rules Cyclopedia has a really good system for hiring retainers, and I have used a version of it for years.

Ghostmaker

  • Chlorine trifluoride
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1482
    • View Profile
Re: PCs training NPCs?
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2021, 10:11:08 AM »
Exalted had some fun Charms that let you turn ordinary schmucks into lethal warriors quickly (sure, they weren't a match for supernatural threats but it DEFINITELY made a difference in mass combat, IIRC).

This Guy

  • You Know?
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • T
  • Posts: 530
    • View Profile
Re: PCs training NPCs?
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2021, 03:11:31 PM »
Yeah that sounds like domain-level stuff, tricky part would be figuring out rates of NPC XP gain but just make a chart based on your own tastes I guess
I don't want to play with you.

GeekyBugle

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2869
  • Now even more Toxic
    • View Profile
Re: PCs training NPCs?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2021, 05:35:16 PM »
Can a PC choose to train an NPC, and cause the NPC to gain levels in character classes?

In other words, can you train your own help?

I'd allow it at my table.  How would you handle it?

Been there done that, last time we were training them before the asshole/asshole that plays the wizard came to play with a couple drinks and got them all killed. Welp, there goes the help. ;D
“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

― George Orwell

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjC7-w5KDKNiD-k0tVo1DPw?view_as=subscriber