Quote from: Spinachcat;1033225They are making the same mistakes as WotC.

They should keep PF1e chugging along, keeping those fans happy.

PF2e should be called "Golarian's Mirror" or whatever where they can go crazy with new ideas and directions for their rules and setting, but selling it as a separate line to see what the reaction of fans will be.

D&D4e's sin was being called D&D instead of "Dungeon Slayer". Fans don't really want new editions. They want reprintings with some minor corrections, but then many won't buy it because they already own the earlier edition.

Publishers are kinda screwed.

Thank you for reinforcing my point:  GAMERS HATE CHANGE!  They rail against it, whether or not the change is a good one.  They'd rather stay in the past, instead of looking for the future.

Advanced Dungeons and Dragons?!! What's wrong with Basic and Expert?!! It'll never sell and I'll never buy them!

2nd Edition AD+D?!!! What's wrong with 1st Ed. AD+D?!!! It'll never sell and I'll never buy them!

3rd Ed AD+D?!!! What's wrong with 2nd Ed AD+D?!!! It'll never sell and I'll never buy them!

3.5?!!! What's wrong with 3rd Ed?!!! It'll never sell and I'll never buy them!

4th Edition?!!! What's wrong with 3.5?!!! It'll never sell and I'll never buy them! (Ok, I really didn't buy 4th Ed.)

5th Edition?!!!......

Quote from: fearsomepirate;1033320Wizard 1: Counterspell!



Wizard 2: Counterspell!



Any solo monster relying on magic at all will go down quickly to a large group that includes casters.

The pit fiend's key power is that he's a general in hell's armies.

True that.

"Let's see... First I'll send a hundred mooks at them to wear down their lesser spells and do some damage. Then, I'll send some lesser demons to eat up their larger spells. Then a couple stronger ones to eat up what magic and hit points they got left. Then, when they having nothing left to fight me with, I'll come in and kill them."

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1033339Thank you for reinforcing my point:  GAMERS HATE CHANGE!  They rail against it, whether or not the change is a good one.  They'd rather stay in the past, instead of looking for the future.

The burden of proof rests with the affirmative.

Upon reflection, When PF2 comes out, I'm tempted to buy the PF1 Core rules book and a Bestiary.
PF1 was fun up to lvl 11ish and I DID have some fun times with it and it IS significantly different than 5e.
I should be able to get PF 1st Ed stuff really cheap then too.

Paizo knows their customers; the game will satisfy at least 80% of the existing player base, especially as they add more classes etc.
This includes former PF players who also play 5e, but are open to a crunchier DnD.
They will not surpass 5e in sales, but I think they will be well positioned as number two, and the AP subscription model will keep them comfortable.

Quote from: fearsomepirate;1033333I still use my 10-year-old 32" 1080p LCD television in one of the bedrooms because it still works and as far as I care, 4K isn't so much better as to justify throwing it away (I threw away a 20" 480i CRT when I bought this).

I still use my 35 year old 10" Sony Trinitron! It's my only TV - analogue, can't receive broadcast signals, so I don't need a UK TV licence. I use it for music CDs and occasionally for DVDs.

Quote from: fearsomepirate;1033334It's not like 7 9th-level heroes would be completely unable to handle a lone 14-HD monster in AD&D.

Running 1e in the late 80s & early 90s, I would use small armies of pit fiends against one or two PCs! Of course didn't use minis in those days. But the Bloodstone series takes a similar approach with demons.

The idea that a solo monster can/should challenge high level PCs seemed to come in with 3e D&D, and its minis focus - it is helpful when using minis since the GM probably doesn't have a dozen pit fiend minis. But 5e monsters rather go back towards pre-3e in terms of power; just as a 13 hd 1e pit fiend might challenge 4-6 level 8 1e AD&D PCs, it can challenge 4-6 level 8 5e PCs about the same. It certainly can't challenge level 19 PCs though! So I'm not finding 5e CRs very helpful, and the encounter builder rules are worthless.

Hard to push for a new edition when your company's success is built on people's unwillingness to change. It doesn't even matter how much 'better' this edition is, they'll still need to publish 1st edition material, or else someone will make a clone and steal their market just like they did with D&D.

So my prediction: There'll be an initial spike in sales from people who buy all things Pathfinder, followed by going back to what they're familiar with, or what's most popular.

They've built massive brand loyalty with their consumers based on superb customer service, and being not-WOTC. Their followers will buy the new edition, because it's Paizo selling it.

Why they switched to Pathfinder a decade ago is different than how they feel now about a company they've followed closely for that decade. They will switch purely because of that relationship.

Quote from: Mistwell;1033603They've built massive brand loyalty with their consumers based on superb customer service, and being not-WOTC. Their followers will buy the new edition, because it's Paizo selling it.

Why they switched to Pathfinder a decade ago is different than how they feel now about a company they've followed closely for that decade. They will switch purely because of that relationship.

It depends on how much brand loyalty is because people like crunchy D&D (when Paizo is moving a little bit away from that while being even more crunchy) and how many people like Paizo's PC attitude (which is hardly unique to their company).

JG