Quote from: SeanchaiThe contention - and the importance of folks switching so they can play the official version of D&D - lies with the idea that Pathfinder represents a revolution in the D&D/everybody else paradigm, that masses of people will stick with Pathfinder instead of switching to 4e, etc..

Seanchai

You know, I made that off-handed "revolution" comment about Paizo's decision four days ago (and that's an eternity on a forum) and you still have it rattling around in your thinking. What is it about that concept that bothers you so much, Seanchi?

Quote from: jeff37923You know, I made that off-handed "revolution" comment about Paizo's decision four days ago (and that's an eternity on a forum) and you still have it rattling around in your thinking. What is it about that concept that bothers you so much, Seanchi?

What bothers you so much about saying "I was talking out my ass, there isn't really a whiff of revolution coming off of it"?

Re: WotC and drugs. Read!

http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/03/23/wizards/print.html

Quote from: blakkieWhat bothers you so much about saying "I was talking out my ass, there isn't really a whiff of revolution coming off of it"?

Nice to see that it bothers a troll like you as well.

Quote from: SettembriniRe: WotC and drugs. Read!

:sleeping:
John Tynes interviewed by Ogre Cave which includes a bit about that article. The SciFi-Wire article in question.

Thanks, Casey!

Quote from: jeff37923You know, I made that off-handed "revolution" comment about Paizo's decision four days ago (and that's an eternity on a forum) and you still have it rattling around in your thinking. What is it about that concept that bothers you so much, Seanchi?

It doesn't bother me. People keep saying no one is stupid enough to think that Pathfinder would overtake D&D and I have to remind them that yes, there actually are people that stupid.

Seanchai

Quote from: AkrasiaYeah, that was my point all along.

I thought your point was that Castles & Crusade was awesome and undeserving of any criticism.

Seanchai

Quote from: SeanchaiI thought your point was that Castles & Crusade was awesome and undeserving of any criticism.

Seanchai

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Um, no.  Please point out precisely where in this thread I state anything that even remotely suggests this.

Don't know if it's an important indicator.  But there was some  interesting info that came across in the Living Greyhawk Yahoo Group.

Quote from: AkrasiaUm, no.  Please point out precisely where in this thread I state anything that even remotely suggests this.

Where you remotely suggested it? You keep going on and on and on about how well Castle & Crusades has done, despite a very different reality, pointing out, for example, over and over and over that it sold out three printings when that, by itself, is not terribly impressive.

I mean, c'mon, it's a little disengenious of your to try and present yourself as anything but a Troll Lord fanboy.

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai... You keep going on and on and on about how well Castle & Crusades has done...

Well, none of my comments had to do with the quality of C&C as a game.  And, as for its success, I've only gone 'on and on' in response to your comments.  My original point was pretty simple.  C&C is based on pre-3e D&D (although with other elements as well) and has been a success for TLG.  Based on that, it seems reasonable to think that, if anything, Pathfinder will be a success for Paizo.  

That's it.

As for the success of C&C, based on my interpretation of the data that I have available, C&C has been successful.  Unlike you, I have no problem finding C&C stuff outside of their website (e.g. my FLGS store in Toronto, the main stores in San Francisco and Berkeley, or at Leisure Games in the UK).  I simply find your claims that C&C is a failure implausible.

Quote from: Seanchai... despite a very different reality.....

*sigh* Your interpretations of 'reality' seem to be based on your commitment to a particular thesis (viz. that C&C is a 'failure'), and you interpret the available data in order to support that thesis (e.g. bizarrely taking three printings of the core book to support your claim that the game is a 'failure').  Given your commitment to defending this thesis at all costs, and the fact that neither of us has access to the hard information necessary to resolve this dispute, there's no point in continuing this debate (as I've already said ... I'm just restating points already made it this stage).  

Quote from: Seanchai...
I mean, c'mon, it's a little disengenious of your to try and present yourself as anything but a Troll Lord fanboy...

Hey, I don't deny that I like C&C, but I certainly think that it is far from perfect, and I actually think that TLG could be doing a lot better (e.g. the editing of some of their products, etc.).  I didn't get into my criticisms of C&C and TLG in this discussion because they weren't relevant.  We weren't debating the strengths and weaknesses of the C&C system.  (And, for the record, I quite dislike a number of C&C 'fanboys'.)

My point has always been the same.  Based on the information that I have available, C&C has been a success for TLG.  Based on this fact, I suspect that Pathfinder will be a success for Paizo (as you yourself conceded just earlier).  That's it.

Quote from: Akrasia*sigh* Your interpretations of 'reality' seem to be based on your commitment to a particular thesis (viz. that C&C is a 'failure'), and you interpret the available data in order to support that thesis (e.g. bizarrely taking three printings of the core book to support your claim that the game is a 'failure').

You said there are a lot of materials out for Castles & Crusades. I said there weren't. You said to check out there website. I did and conceded the point.

You said they've sold out three print runs of Castles & Crusades and that it's an indication of success. I said that it wasn't ncessarily an indication of anything, said why, and asked how large the print runs were. You said, "Buwuh?"

You haven't said why selling out a print run of 100 should be considered a success nor have you even hinted at numbers.

That you'd follow that up by suggesting I am the one interpreting reality and the data a certain way is highly ironic. *sigh*

Quote from: AkrasiaI'll let you know if I can work something out.Based on this fact, I suspect that Pathfinder will be a success for Paizo (as you yourself conceded just earlier).

I didn't conceded - I said it 5 five days ago in post #123. In other words, before you started posting to the thread...

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai... stuff...

:rolleyes:

Quote from: Akrasia... there's no point in continuing this debate ...

Quote from: Akrasia... there's no point in continuing this debate ...

You're dedicated. You've said repeatedly that you're not going to continue the "debate" (an actual debate would require you to produce an argument or evidence, i.e., print run numbers), then do. And now you go as far as to post with only an emoticon. Unbelievable. You're definitely earned your Castles & Crusades booster stripes.

Seanchai