Just imagine the days of all those MMO games where town guards kicked the crap out players being assholes in towns. Nowadays we'd have mass triggerings.

Quote from: SHARK;1136831Greetings!

Hey Shrieking my friend! Well, what is with the assumptions of "entitlement" at all, you know?

I don't know. Its this rise of 'vs consumer' mentality. While on the consumer's side I see this sort of belief that they have no choice but to consume.
Its this collectively unhealthy attachment to brands and their identities instead of forming of your own.
I think its this part of trying to sanitize the internet which I believe was an overall worse thing in the end. I'm not a fan of review bombing, but its also the only real way for a consumer to reach a large disconnected corporation in any way. At the same time if consumers just didn't buy the friggin product like it was a visit from grandma situation wouldn't need this sort of thing.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1136836Just imagine the days of all those MMO games where town guards kicked the crap out players being assholes in towns. Nowadays we'd have mass triggerings.

  Which always led me to ask, WTF do they need adventurers for when you have raid bosses guarding your town?

Quote from: oggsmash;1136840Which always led me to ask, WTF do they need adventurers for when you have raid bosses guarding your town?

Some of the high end corp security assets makes me ask the same about shadowrunners in Shadowrun. Sure, deniability and all, but come on...nobody really buys that anyway.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1136842Some of the high end corp security assets makes me ask the same about shadowrunners in Shadowrun.

They love wasting money. It's an oft missed aspect of Shadowrun lore, but their generators are run off pure wasted money.

Quote from: oggsmash;1136840Which always led me to ask, WTF do they need adventurers for when you have raid bosses guarding your town?

Quote from: HappyDaze;1136842Some of the high end corp security assets makes me ask the same about shadowrunners in Shadowrun. Sure, deniability and all, but come on...nobody really buys that anyway.

Because Institutions (city/nation, cult/religion, shop/corporation, etc.) are the equivalent of Dragons: nigh immortal,  obscene wealth, plan long term, and use their authority over minions to project power & take from smaller 'dragons'. "Minion Resources" needs to groom new minions routinely for long-term power projection; it's a conveyor belt of expendable talent.   And now you understand a deeper truth about reality, fantasy past, sci-fi future, and the nature of power.

Quote from: Opaopajr;1136854Because Institutions (city/nation, cult/religion, shop/corporation, etc.) are the equivalent of Dragons: nigh immortal,  obscene wealth, plan long term, and use their authority over minions to project power & take from smaller 'dragons'. "Minion Resources" needs to groom new minions routinely for long-term power projection; it's a conveyor belt of expendable talent.   And now you understand a deeper truth about reality, fantasy past, sci-fi future, and the nature of power.

How does that apply to TRPGs when the only real company with assets is WoTC?

Quote from: JeremyR;1136765There was a recent release of a fantasy cops product for 1E/OSRIC, City of Solstice, Evil Streets

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/309533/City-of-Solstice-Evil-Streets

Basically the premise is that a coalition of villains take over a fantasy city and the PCs are members of the city watch. There was an adventure released a week or so before this all started, it will be interesting to see if there is further support.

Good grief!  About two years ago I had the idea of a fantasy "Cops" where the PCs were members of the city watch.  

I love low-level stuff, and I thought it'd be great to explore this side of the story, if you will: what happens when the Adventuring Party (TM) has a drunken brawl in the tavern and the watch is called? When the brazen strumpet gets slapped around by her John? When, as a member of the watch, you're bribed to look the other way?  When the kraken wades into harbor and heads toward town?.

Fun!! Thanks for linking to this product!

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1136862How does that apply to TRPGs when the only real company with assets is WoTC?

Because dragon Hasbro (WotC s mere minion) & dragon Paradox (WW is mere minion) are some of the only real players that matter in this backwater market, hence why backwater drakes/wyverns like Paizo have to skip to the corporate jumprope. It churns the tidepool (grabs eyes from elsewhere -- both a useful distraction and advertisement) and keeps any nascent competition suitably busy with desperately finding stability. Because in the chaos you can take more stuff and keep innovation (and thus threats to your power) down.

Oh, the politics of institutional power (like a cyberpunk corp) is very much understandable in terms of dragon overlords competing at another tier level.

Quote from: FASAfan;1136901Good grief!  About two years ago I had the idea of a fantasy "Cops" where the PCs were members of the city watch.  

I love low-level stuff, and I thought it'd be great to explore this side of the story, if you will: what happens when the Adventuring Party (TM) has a drunken brawl in the tavern and the watch is called? When the brazen strumpet gets slapped around by her John? When, as a member of the watch, you're bribed to look the other way?  When the kraken wades into harbor and heads toward town?.

Fun!! Thanks for linking to this product!

I'd play that just for the novelty of it. It'd be an interesting campaign for low-level PCs, a nice change from the usual murderhobo standard

Quote from: The Exploited.;1136672Do you guys ever vote with your wallets, or will you continue to do business with Paizo, WoTC, Green Ronin, Whitewolf or Evil Hat?

Never bought anything by any of those companies.  The last D&D items I bought were from TSR and AD&D 1st edition.  I do play in both 3.5 and 5th edition D&D campaigns, but I don't need the books since both GMs purchased extra copies for the table.  I have purchased quite a few Steve Jackson and OSR products over the past couple of years though.

This isn't making people diverse, this is a total lack of tolerance. What's next? Titles being rejected for not being woke enough? What's wrong with fantasy police? I think Paizo crossed the line.

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1137278I think Paizo crossed the line.

There's a line? I don't think we can say there's a line crossed until we see them take a real financial hit. Even if they lose respectability/reputation, they won't care as long as the money is still pouring in.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1137291There's a line? I don't think we can say there's a line crossed until we see them take a real financial hit. Even if they lose respectability/reputation, they won't care as long as the money is still pouring in.

"Pouring in" is an overstatement. Most folks who want to defund cops don't even play trpgs, as the genre remains largely reserved to middle class suburban citizens of North America and Europe. Don't think paizo will be getting much out of this apology other than temporary publicity. Will that publicity generate sales? Doubt it.

Another reason for not buying anything from Paizo.