Quote from: Doc Sammy;1131666Well, then just don't post in threads about it

That should be a fairly simple solution.

Please stop trying to convince me to play it. I never ever want to play WoD/CoD.

That's a key reason why I started this thread. To find and create alternatives.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1131667Please stop trying to convince me to play it. I never ever want to play WoD/CoD.

That's a key reason why I started this thread. To find and create alternatives.

It's a fucking open forum dude. Anyone can post and comment. Fuck I've even gave examples of my own vampires and Werewolves in this thread.

You're misanthropy is not an excuse to be an asshole. Fuck sake man, nobody is trying to convince you to play the games. But they're going to come up by the very nature of this topic.

Quote from: Orphan81;1131672It's a fucking open forum dude. Anyone can post and comment. Fuck I've even gave examples of my own vampires and Werewolves in this thread.

You're misanthropy is not an excuse to be an asshole. Fuck sake man, nobody is trying to convince you to play the games. But they're going to come up by the very nature of this topic.

 I wish I was fucking dead.

I have to admit, I've never gotten diarrhea from reading something on the internet, not even when I read about some real life horrible event, much less about fictional game settings.

For the most part, WoD and CoD are both good. I think that the WoD is my favorite, it might be nostalgia, but while the WoD has lower lows, it also has higher highs as well. It's more variable, and since I have the option of discarding things I don't like, I feel like WoD has the advantage for me. Though CoD has its good points too and sometimes certain good things are mutually exclusive or at least interfere with each other in a shared setting.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1131667Please stop trying to convince me to play it. I never ever want to play WoD/CoD.

That's a key reason why I started this thread. To find and create alternatives.

I wasn't trying to convince you to play WoD/CoD.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1131676I wish I was fucking dead.

[video=youtube;9Deg7VrpHbM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Deg7VrpHbM[/youtube]

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1131491Ybervalt is another parallel Earth (specifically a country or collection of countries corresponding to Eastern Europe), although it's history is vastly difference due to much greater concentrations of magic. Namely, the nobility consist of vampires, wizards, werewolves, and other classic monsters. So it's a bit like the Sylvania of the Warhammer World, I guess. Ybervalt is currently experiencing a war between a cabal of wizards (the House of Magnus) and a vampire knightly order (the Order of the Dragon) due to the wizards harvesting vampires as ingredients for youth potions. There's currently a succession crisis since a vampire-werewolf Romeo/Juliet couple who are the heirs of the two most powerful werewolf and vampire houses (who are archnemeses) have eloped to Earth.

This is great! Especially the part about the wizards harvesting the vampires. What about extending it so that the wizards are harvesting all of the other species, which makes them the villains? The PCs would be vampires, werewolves, fae, created, etc. who normally are at odds, but they've reached an uneasy alliance due to a common enemy that is far more powerful than they are.

Do all of your alternate dimensions exist simultaneously? The premise could be something like Gurps Infinite Worlds, where the PCs are trying to stop a cross-dimensional nemesis. Part of the appeal could be seeing how each supernatural creature type fares in each alternate reality.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1131658You can create your own setting AND you can make WoD great again if you want, it's not an "either/or" choice.

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Game Design Note: Dungeons

Vampire: The OSR  is not set in a real city, but in a fictional city simply called The City. Of course, you can give it a real name, and place it anywhere you like. But for the official game, this is left deliberately undefined, to create an aura of mystery and ambiguity. The practical reason is that it provides more sources for "dungeons" since you can combine subterranean features from several different cities across the globe. Using a real world city (especially a US one) may be too limiting, unless you want to turn up the "WTF is going on" dial to 11.

If you've played the Fallout series of video games, you already know how what a modern-day "dungeon" can look like. But there are some real-world examples as well.

Sewers

The Paris sewers are a great inspiration. They were first constructed in 1370 and massively expanded in 1855. They extend about 1,300 miles. Featured in the novel/musical Les Miserables.
 
Catacombs

Again, Paris is a great example. Originally I was surprised to find out that the catacombs, started in 1774, are a more recent development than the sewers but the explanation makes sense (the cemeteries started to run out of room.) But the tunnels themselves are older, having been used to mine limestone. They extend about 200 miles.

Subways

The London Underground, which opened in 1863, is the oldest subway system in the world. It currently extends 248 miles, which makes it the worlds third largest. Of particular interest are the abandoned tunnels and stations. The most well-known is probably the British Museum station, featured in Neil Gaiaman's Neverwhere. The station is rumored to be haunted by the daughter of an Egyptian Pharaoh called Amen-ra (The real world is practically writing adventures for you.)

Paved-over City Blocks

In 1889, the city of Seattle decided to raise the streets by twelve feet. City merchants simply converted the second floor of their buildings into ground floors, and the previous ground floors became basements. The former basements became...  The "Seattle Underground" became a collection of illegal gambling halls, speakeasies, opium dens, and refuges for the homeless.

Ancient Cisterns

Several hundred ancient cisterns lie beneath Istanbul, built in the 6th century during the reign of Byzantine Emperor Justinian. The largest of these, the Basillica Cistern, has been featured in the James Bond film From Russia With Love, the video game Assassin's Creed: Revelations, and Inferno by Dan Brown.

Abandoned Shopping Malls

There's a surprising number of abandoned malls in the mid-western US, many of which were built in the 1970's. Photographer Seph Lawless has a great photo collection. Some of them look like they are straight out of Fallout.

Underground Cities

History is full of some amazing examples:

• Derinkuyu, in Turkey's Cappadocia region, 8th century BC, was a self-contained city that held 20,000 people.
• Naours, in northern France, dates back to the 3rd century AD. It has two miles of tunnels, 300 rooms, and could house 3,000.
• Wieliczka Salt Mine, outside Krakow, Poland, dates back to the 1200s.
• Lalibela, Ethiopia, built in the 12th century AD. It is series of underground churches, and now a sacred site for the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
• Dixia Cheng, a massive fallout shelter built in the 60's underneath Beijing, which can hold one million people and has a skating rink and a 1,000-seat movie theater. Never used, it is now in decay.
• Petra, in southern Jordan. Location of The Holy Grail (at least it was in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.) Petra is more than 2,000 years old and may have housed 20,000 people at one time. New excavations are still being explored today.
  

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Exploring the subject in depth could be a book of its own. Actually it is, but I forget the name.

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_sewers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacombs_of_Paris
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Underground
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_Cistern
https://sephlawless.com/inside-creepiest-abandoned-malls/
https://www.history.com/news/8-mysterious-underground-cities

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1131443Thanks for the link. Seems interesting enough, although I admit that I'm generally desperate for anything to distract me from WoD.

Here's a link of my own. I had to find the article the blurb mentions on the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20190113212859/http://draconicmagazine.com/articles/vampires-funny

EDIT: I'm skimming right now, and I really like what I see. The way it handles humanity and the demonic is a lot more evocative than WoD.

Thanks, Kuroth and BoxCrayonTales!