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Author Topic: Onyx Path not paying freelancers (so -that's- what the Exalted Dev turn over was for)  (Read 16254 times)

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Sorry if this is old news (I didn't find any mention in a quick few searches here), and since TBP is "reviewing" this thread and locking it down I thought I'd share.

https://sponsoredbynobody.podbean.com/e/exalted-offtopic-a-history-of-exposure-3rd-edition/
http://imgur.com/a/aDj92 (for those who'd rather just look at the screengrabs of the Devs talking about the piss-poor treatment they got)

Yipes.  We're talking Palladium Books level dickery here.

(also amusing, what is TBP going to do when their OPP-contracted-not-employed mod staff has to decide if opening the thread bashing their employer is a good idea or not?  It's already closed there, but -not- deleted, so maybe it'll get open.)

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Has any of this information been sent to Kickstarter themselves?

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Quote from: jeff37923;967188
Has any of this information been sent to Kickstarter themselves?

Not sure KS would (or should) care.  RichT/OPP went to KS with a project, and as far as KS is concerned the project creator could be snorting cocaine with the money.  It's when promised goals aren't delivered that things prove problematic.

"But wasn't one of those goals a pay bump?"

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Quote from: san dee jota;967184
(also amusing, what is TBP going to do when their OPP-contracted-not-employed mod staff has to decide if opening the thread bashing their employer is a good idea or not?  It's already closed there, but -not- deleted, so maybe it'll get open.)

What they should do is tell those moderators that they are no longer allowed to moderate any topic related to OPP or their products because of the obvious conflict of interest and high potential for abuse of moderator authority involved and remove them from their moderator positions if they continue doing so.  What they are going to do is jack shit like always.
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What they should do is tell those moderators that they are no longer allowed to moderate any topic related to OPP or their products because of the obvious conflict of interest and high potential for abuse of moderator authority involved and remove them from their moderator positions if they continue doing so.  What they are going to do is jack shit like always.


If purple mods couldn't act because of bias and conflict of interest, they would never be seen or heard - that's all they ever do, it's practically the job description.
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Quote from: yosemitemike;967201
What they should do is tell those moderators that they are no longer allowed to moderate any topic related to OPP or their products because of the obvious conflict of interest and high potential for abuse of moderator authority involved and remove them from their moderator positions if they continue doing so.  What they are going to do is jack shit like always.

Heh. I guess you didn't follow the Alamo Drafthouse threads.

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As somebody whose name is in the credits of the 3rd edition book and who has worked with WW and OP over the years on each edition of Exalted, I'll say that I would take all of that with a grain of salt.  When OP found out I didn't have a contract because of how things were handled at a level below them, one was sent to me immediately and I was paid for all of the work I was credited with.  

As for the allegations that WW/OP pays significantly below the industry standard, that's not my experience.  The industry standard as a whole is pretty terrible.  But that gets into the whole, "Are RPGs too expensive/etc."  

 OP has always dealt with me fairly and honestly.  I also have every faith the new developers are going to run things right insofar as freelancers are concerned.  And I say this as somebody who has no plans on ever working for OP again.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2017, 03:54:32 PM by Future Villain Band »

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What's interesting is all this criticism of OP is coming from Holden who is a moderator at RPGnet too.

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Heh. I guess you didn't follow the Alamo Drafthouse threads.

That doesn't mean anything to me but let me ask you a concrete question.  Has BlackHat_Matt

a)been barred from moderating in any thread involving OPP or OPP products because of the obvious conflict of interest and his long history of using his moderator authority to silence critics of OPP?

or

b) been removed from his moderator position?

If neither of these things has happened, nothing has changed.  I'm not actually sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.
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Who or what is Onyx Path?

Edit: Never mind, read the links. Shady RPG publisher. Can't say I ever heard of them or their game except in the title of a forum thread here.

I am curious about why these guys are willing to work for free.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2017, 05:53:06 PM by Dumarest »

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They're the current publisher of Vampire, Werewolf, Mage and so on.
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Well, the Chronicle of Darkness version of it. As soon as White Wolf (the new company) finishes their work on the new edition. OPP stops theirs. Except for the 20 year editions.

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Your telling me that the lying suck of shits that tried to ruin the careers of other people got fuck over by another liar?  Oh happy days.  Oh fucking happy days!

I been telling people that Onyx Path is shit and could not produce a good game.  This is vindication to all the things I had been saying.  To all the nasty people that still works for Onyx Path and treat your fan base like shit.  Your day is coming.

Oh my...  Even David A. Hill got fuck over royally.  Is this a late birthday gift?  Should had been working on your own IPs David.  Should had never spent time in trying to ruin other people and spreading lies.  You have no sympathy from me.

Finally to Rich Thomas.  You perfect form of a utter glorious piece of pretentious shit.  What the fuck are you going to do now?  You screwed over the only allies you have and possibly destroyed your career.  You murdered your own business.  I am going to eat popcorn as you fall screaming into your own personal hell that you created.

New White Wolf.  I will be giving you a email shortly as I don't believe Onyx Path should be allowed to touch your licensees.  Give it to Goodman Games, Sine Nomine Publishing, or some company that gives a damn.

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Snowman...what's your issue with David Hill? Seriously, what's the backstory here?

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Quote from: Dumarest;967241
Who or what is Onyx Path?

Edit: Never mind, read the links. Shady RPG publisher. Can't say I ever heard of them or their game except in the title of a forum thread here.

I am curious about why these guys are willing to work for free.


Basically they publish "Classic" editions of the old White Wolf games.

As to why people are willing to work for free, look at all the old D&D stuff made for OSR. Much of that is just hobbyists doing it for free (or sometimes at a loss). If some company were somehow granted the rights to AD&D and OD&D and wanted to recruit OSR people to produce "official" new old modules and such, I'm sure they would have legions of volunteers. Same case for the old White Wolf games, they have tons of devoted fans.
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