Quote from: Future Villain Band;970408At base, I know about twenty people who would love to say shit about this and clear the air, but honestly, I'm not going to be the first person to do it.  I said what I feel comfortable saying without driving anybody under a bus.  And that's the same thing with the mod staff -- I'm not divulging anything private when I say some of the people getting badmouthed are mods at RPG.net, and some of the people doing the badmouthing are also mods at RPG.net.  There is no way to discuss the issue without somebody getting attacked, and not everybody deserves it.  So they're just shutting down discussion, I guess.

I see. There is no way that the truth can come out without at least one rpg.net mod looking bad. Better circle the wagons and bury discussion then.

Orwell would be proud.

Quote from: Dumarest;970354Can't you just quote Matthew: "But I say this to you: offer no resistance to the wicked. On the contrary, if anyone hits you on the right cheek, offer him the other as well."

That is one of the verses most commonly taken out of historical context to mean something entirely different from what it actually did.  (and it's a pet peeve of mine)

It's not saying to just let people beat on you - that'd be stupid.  And it'd be contradictory to things such as one of Jesus's disciples wearing a freakin' sword.

Culturally at the time, being slapped was done to insult someone in an argument.  You slapped someone with the back of the hand if they were an inferior.  (As Roman soldiers commonly did to Jews.)  You slapped them with the open hand if they were an equal

With the cultural/historical context in place - the verse basically means to go ahead and let people mock/insult you, but take it like a man and make them respect you when they do it!  (because if you show them your left cheek, they'd have to slap you open-handed as most Roman soldiers were right-handed)

It was basically telling them to do a peaceful resistance to the man (Roman man) keeping them down.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;970550That is one of the verses most commonly taken out of historical context to mean something entirely different from what it actually did.  (and it's a pet peeve of mine)

It's not saying to just let people beat on you - that'd be stupid.

Culturally at the time, being slapped was done to insult someone in an argument.  You slapped someone with the back of the hand if they were an inferior such as a slave or servant.  You slapped them with the open hand if they were an equal.

With the historical context in place - the verse basically means to go ahead and let people mock/insult you, but take it like a man and make them respect you when they do it!  (because if they were slapping you with the back of their hand and you turn your cheek, they would then have to use the open hand to slap you again)

Subtlety not your strong suit then?

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;970550That is one of the verses most commonly taken out of historical context to mean something entirely different from what it actually did.  (and it's a pet peeve of mine)

It's not saying to just let people beat on you - that'd be stupid.  And it'd be contradictory to things such as one of Jesus's disciples wearing a freakin' sword.

Uh the passage is clearly metaphorical as Jesus speaks often through parables, but you seem to be forgetting this passage:

"And Jesus said unto him, Friend, why are you come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.

And, behold, one of them who was with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again your sword into its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Think you that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?"

Quote from: Voros;970561Uh the passage is clearly metaphorical as Jesus speaks often through parables, but you seem to be forgetting this passage:

"And Jesus said unto him, Friend, why are you come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.

And, behold, one of them who was with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again your sword into its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Think you that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?"

Right - because it was his time to get taken.

He didn't say "What the crap Peter!  You have a sword!?  I totally didn't notice it before now!"

Edit: He actually told them to buy swords if they didn't have them shortly before that scene.  That would have made no sense if he were a pacifist.

Luke 22:35-38

Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out without purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. 36“Now, however, He told them, “the one with a purse should take it, and likewise a bag; and the one without a sword should sell his cloak and buy one.  37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That’s enough!” he replied.

What a delightfully strange turn for this thread to take.

Quote from: Baulderstone;970571What a delightfully strange turn for this thread to take.

Sorry - as I said - it's a pet peeve of mine.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;970573Sorry - as I said - it's a pet peeve of mine.

No need to apologize. I enjoy a little thread drift.

Right Jesus wasn't pacifist, obviously he was a tough guy warrior. I forgot all those passages where he runs out of bubblegum and kicks people's asses. :rolleyes:

And please don't go quoting the passage where he says he's a sword, metaphor dude metaphor.

Course there are many contradictory parables throughout the Gospels just as there are throughout the Bible, one can always play dueling passages to make whatever point one wants. I guess we're OT and this is the game forum so let's just leave it be.

Regarding Hagen and WoD. Isn't this the same system that released Montreal by Night? Nothing triggering there I guess.

Quote from: tenbones;969112I see a potential RPG here... Comic Clan vs. Goth Clan vs. Anime Waifu Clan all in a high-school. Toss in some pirates and ninja - maybe some devil-worshipping cultists. Maybe it's just my allegy meds talking...

And cat girls, and aliens, and alien cat girl princesses. It exists ... Ninja High School RPG, based on WEG's d6 System.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;97056338 The disciples said, See, Lord, here are two swords.

That s enough! he replied.

Holy fuck! Jesus was a 4e Ranger???

Keep it on RPGs.

It is pretty amazing the way TBP shuts down any discussion of Onyx because it is 'rumour and hearsay' but let the accusations fly when it comes to Zak. Suddenly the standards are adjusted.

Quote from: Voros;970870It is pretty amazing the way TBP shuts down any discussion of Onyx because it is 'rumour and hearsay' but let the accusations fly when it comes to Zak. Suddenly the standards are adjusted.

More amazing is the rationale.

"We'd be biased as hell in moderating this, we won't let impartial mods without connections to OPP do it for us, so we'll close the threads because we don't want people to think we're biased.  You can totally go back to questioning any other company though, as the mod staff doesn't care about them."