Quote from: Spinachcat;1100138Great point about D6 Star Wars!!!

Do any D6 games use Intelligence or is it skipped by the system entirely?

   I can't speak to any of them beyond SW and one other: I checked the updates for the upcoming Zorro d6 game, and the stats there are Agility, Brawn, Knowledge, Perception and Charm.

Quote from: jhkim;1100168This is a news article about a handful of new exceptions to the rule. If these had been happening regularly and over time, then this would change the classification of the two species.

Polar bears were up north and Grizzlies didn't go that far up due to climate, reclassification is something that happens pretty often by biologist standards.

Quote from: jhkim;1100168Do you? Did you even bother to read the article, or did you just scan the headline? It doesn't describe cross-breeding of humans and monkeys. It's describing engineering a monkey with a human organ implanted into it. Having an implanted organ from another species technically makes an organism a "chimera" - but it's not in any sense cross-breeding, any more than getting a kidney implant from someone is the same as having a child together.

Did you?

So according to you adding human stem cells to a freaking monkey embrio is the same as getting a kidney transplant?

But, to my point, you claimed I was saying only by someone having sex with a monkey and getting a pregnancy we would know. The article is to demonstrate how little you know of what I'm thinking. They could, if they wanted make it invitro (it has existed for what 50 years?). And I still hope we never know the answer.

Also to demonstrate that, like I said, this could demonstrate if we're that compatible. And I'll quote from the very same article (only to prove you're wrong again)

QuoteQuestions: Pablo Ross, a veterinary researcher at the University of California, Davis, who previously worked with Salk on the pig-human chimeras, says he doesn't think it makes sense to try to grow human organs in monkeys.

"I always made the case that it doesn't make sense to use a primate for that. Typically they are very small, and they take too long to develop," he says.

Ross suspects the researchers have more basic scientific questions in mind. Injecting human cells into monkey embryos could address "questions of evolutionary distance and interspecies barriers," he says.

So, this experiment MAY end up proving if we're that close as to be genetically compatible enough to interbreed.

Now come back with some more of your fabulous mind reading, lack of reading comprehension and general wrongness.

Intelligence in RPG's? Who cares! The real question is whether humans and chimps can procreate!!

(Kael runs and hides from our future Human-Chimp hybrid overlords...)

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D6 Fantasy used Intellect (memory and reasoning) and Acumen (mental quickness, creativity, and attention to detail) while Mini-Six combined both into Wits.

Quote from: Kael;1100173Intelligence in RPG's? Who cares! The real question is whether humans and chimps can procreate!!

(Kael runs and hides from our future Human-Chimp hybrid overlords...)

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In the future we won't spank the monkey....

Instead, the monkey will spank us!

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1100178In the future we won't spank the monkey....

Instead, the monkey will spank us!

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Quote from: Doc Sammy;1100056Wait...intelligence scores in a game are now considered fascist?

We really are living in some bizarre mashup of Animal Farm, Brave New World, Demolition Man, and Idiocracy, aren't we?

I need a fucking drink...

Brawndo, it has electrolytes.

But on a gaming note, ever since D6 I've been a fan of Knowledge as a stat rather than Int, so you can play a dumb character who knows a lot, or a smart character who is clueless. But it seems like an idea that never caught on.

Quote from: Aglondir;1100191Brawndo, it has electrolytes.

But on a gaming note, ever since D6 I've been a fan of Knowledge as a stat rather than Int, so you can play a dumb character who knows a lot, or a smart character who is clueless. But it seems like an idea that never caught on.

It didn't even stay in all versions of D6, and WEG dropped it in Masterbook too.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1100138We need a POLITICS IN GAMES subforum.

We can keep it separate from both the Main RPG Board and RPGPundit's Personal Mosh Pit. That would be the best solution since the culture war is raging inside the hobby, but these threads should be separate from the Main RPG Board which should be exclusively about RPGing.

I'd be okay with this as long as the ban hammer comes out swiftly and often. Pundit is WAY too lenient if you ask me. Either enforce gaming-only talk, or let it be the Wild West. There are a few serial offenders who just won't fucking stop, and it's really annoying.

Quote from: Aglondir;1100191Brawndo, it has electrolytes.

But on a gaming note, ever since D6 I've been a fan of Knowledge as a stat rather than Int, so you can play a dumb character who knows a lot, or a smart character who is clueless. But it seems like an idea that never caught on.

It is what plants crave.

I have no problem whatever with Knowledge as a general state vs Int, but I don't think this buys any insulation from the SJW zombies.  "What are you saying there is only one kind of KNOWING!?  This is western imperialist garbage!  How could you as a red dragon [red dragon privledge!] speak authoritatively about non-sauroid ways of knowing ?!?!?"

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1100122https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species

Yes, polar bears and Grizzly bears are the same species, they haven't yet reached the point of becoming two separate species since they can still interbreed and have fertile offspring.

Same with dogs and wolfs.

But not with horses and donkeys.

By the way many question if we humans can still interbreed with bonobos and chimps, hopefully we never find out.

That is not the current definition of species.

Quote from: jhkim;1100146I don't think that's clear. The reason we say polar bears and grizzly bears are separate species is in part because they're separate breeding population despite technical compatibility. i.e. We don't see polar/grizzly hybrids in the wild. But given that there are plenty of half-elves in D&D, I don't think calling them separate species is accurate.

It depends on the definition of species in use. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE6vf1AuPRI
This guy prioritizes the definition you guys are using but he mentions the others.

Quote from: jhkim;1100146This is weak bullshit. A human with trisomy is just as incompatible as any other human. It's not just about having the right number -- the chromosomes simply won't match up. We have a chromosome 2 that is roughly double the size of the others, and there is no way that it would successfully match with any chimpanzee chromosome.

Plus, you're implying that the only way to know is by physical mating -- which is likewise nonsense. If there were any doubt, then we could easily check compatibility in a test tube.

Chromosome 2 is a fusion of two chromosomes that exist in the other apes. I agree that it would probably block hybridization.

Let's toss another monkey wrench into the conversation. Are fantasy "races" evolved or created? There's no reason to think that Elves or Dwarves or Trolls even have DNA.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1100261Let's toss another monkey wrench into the conversation. Are fantasy "races" evolved or created? There's no reason to think that Elves or Dwarves or Trolls even have DNA.

   Heck, aren't Gloranthan elves plants?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1100261Let's toss another monkey wrench into the conversation. Are fantasy "races" evolved or created? There's no reason to think that Elves or Dwarves or Trolls even have DNA.

I guess it depends on what source you base your fantasy races on.

But if I remember my mythology right, most are created or the descendants of gods/demons.

Fey folk (elves, trolls, goblins, etc) are created if I remember right.

While Minotaurs, Centaurs, etc are the descendants of gods, the Greek gods (who fucked anything not nailed to the wall). I don't remember if these were able to interbreed with humans in the original myths.

For what it's worth in my games they are always a different species not able to interbreed with humans or among themselves. I don't remember ever stating if they were created or evolved tho (I mean in my table).

But making them able to interbreed and calling them races seems to have been a YUGE error in hindsight, it opens the door for the authoritarian morons to spew their nonsense. Even if we all know they would find other things to complain or ways to still say that Orcs are standings for black people, etc.

To me, it doesn't make any sense having them able to interbreed, just like in Star Trek it doesn't make any sense to have Human/Vulcan hybrids.

Even if evolved from a common ancestor, they would have to be really new branches for them to be able to interbreed (ring species), the best treatment of this is in Ringworld, where multiple humanoids exist and many are descendants of the same common ancestor, but have evolved separately so they can't interbreed (and in some cases even having sex is out of the question).

So lets take a universe where magic is real, does this negate evolution? If so why don't we see non-magic hybrids? I mean some people have always had the urge to fuck horses, dogs, etc. If evolution isn't a thing in this universe: How did all the different species came to be? What prevents them from interbreeding?

If it's the magic that allows hybridization: Why don't we see cultural artifacts (laws, etc.) prohibiting it? After all Elves and Dwarfs have racial animosity, and everybody hates the Orcs. How then do you explain half-Orcs not being killed at birth?

This is why in my table there's never half anything, it just doesn't make sense in a world where said racial animosity does exist. Also evolution is a thing since you have different races of Humans, Elves, Dwarfs, etc.