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Only fascists have intelligence as part of their game design.

Started by GeekyBugle, August 17, 2019, 03:07:39 PM

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WillInNewHaven

#30
August 18, 2019, 10:08:10 AM
Quote from: mightybrain;1099872The latest article on D&D Beyond goes further and claims all race ability modifiers are racist:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/563-reimagining-racial-ability-scores

He doesn't even seem to grasp the (not that subtle) mathematics that if you inflate abilities for everyone then not getting a bonus is the same as getting a penalty.



He cites this article to back his nonsense:
https://jamesmendezhodes.com/blog/2019/1/13/orcs-britons-and-the-martial-race-myth-part-i-a-species-built-for-racial-terror

Which is also twaddle.

Racism has nothing to do with the different abilities of a race. The races are just a way to inject a bit of variety into the fantasy world. He's not even internally consistent since he's perfectly happy for races to have their iconic special senses like dark vision, or resistances like poison or charm.

Tolkien made an unfortunate choice when he chose to call Elves, Dwarfs, Hobbits, Welshmen etc. races. They are different species. They are better and worse than humans and the games have to take that into account.

HappyDaze

#31
August 18, 2019, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: mightybrain;1099872The latest article on D&D Beyond goes further and claims all race ability modifiers are racist:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/563-reimagining-racial-ability-scores

He doesn't even seem to grasp the (not that subtle) mathematics that if you inflate abilities for everyone then not getting a bonus is the same as getting a penalty.
I think that the reasoning behind the article (the implied racism) is foolish, but I do like the idea of ability modifiers for class and background. Still, his choices are a little weird (cleric adds points to strength, dexterity, and/or wisdom... dexterity to me seems less cleric-y than charisma, constitution or intelligence).

Spinachcat

#32
August 18, 2019, 12:56:07 PM
Quote from: mightybrain;1099872The latest article on D&D Beyond goes further and claims all race ability modifiers are racist:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/563-reimagining-racial-ability-scores

I didn't need another reason to say FUCK WOTC, but it's nice they keep tossing them out like freebies.


Quote from: WillInNewHaven;1099885Tolkien made an unfortunate choice when he chose to call Elves, Dwarfs, Hobbits, Welshmen etc. races. They are different species. They are better and worse than humans and the games have to take that into account.

Tolkien wrote for an audience with reading comprehension.

Any of these worthless SJW morons who can't figure out that Elves =/= Humans on their own won't work their head around "race" vs. "species" either. They are willfully confusing the term "race" in RPGs to win political points.

Here's my new rule. SJWs suffer -2 to WIS and INT, but gain Advantage when virtue signalling.

mightybrain

#33
August 18, 2019, 01:21:46 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1099901I didn't need another reason to say FUCK WOTC, but it's nice they keep tossing them out like freebies.

This isn't WotC, it's D&D Beyond, which is a partner. And it's not even them, per se, it's a blogger on their staff.

mightybrain

#34
August 18, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
Personally I think Tolkien was technically correct* to use race. (He was a language prof. after all.) The rest of society is wrong to use the word race when they really mean nationality. E.g. a human can only be racist towards other races: elves, orcs, and so on.

* The best kind of correct.

Ratman_tf

#35
August 18, 2019, 02:30:49 PM
Quote from: WillInNewHaven;1099885Tolkien made an unfortunate choice when he chose to call Elves, Dwarfs, Hobbits, Welshmen etc. races. They are different species.

But if a species is defined by groups where two individuals can breed, Elves and Humans in Middle Earth could.
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Shasarak

#36
August 18, 2019, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1099886I think that the reasoning behind the article (the implied racism) is foolish, but I do like the idea of ability modifiers for class and background. Still, his choices are a little weird (cleric adds points to strength, dexterity, and/or wisdom... dexterity to me seems less cleric-y than charisma, constitution or intelligence).

If only someone would make a game that gave you bonuses for your class and background.
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Bren

#37
August 18, 2019, 03:40:51 PM
Quote from: WillInNewHaven;1099885Tolkien made an unfortunate choice when he chose to call Elves, Dwarfs, Hobbits, Welshmen etc. races. They are different species. They are better and worse than humans and the games have to take that into account.
Welshmen? :confused: I don't remember any David ap Llewellyns in the Lord of the Rings.
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HappyDaze

#38
August 18, 2019, 04:14:02 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1099919If only someone would make a game that gave you bonuses for your class and background.

If only it wasn't those fuckers at Paizo.

mightybrain

#39
August 18, 2019, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: Bren;1099923Welshmen? :confused: I don't remember any David ap Llewellyns in the Lord of the Rings.

Lol. I wondered when someone was going to spot that. ;)

Melan

#40
August 18, 2019, 04:21:10 PM
In this post by Completely Normal Guy Blogger, we learn that everything is fascism and all roleplayers (except a tiny vanguard playing Gender Repeal Party) have been doing it wrong all along.

Excuse me, I will be in the other room killing orcs.
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GeekyBugle

#41
August 18, 2019, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1099919If only someone would make a game that gave you bonuses for your class and background.

Wait till my low fantasy game is published. Original setting has no real classes, only backgrounds that give you bonuses/penalties on stuff you might want to try. It'll be my "totally not Conan" ;) game.
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Shasarak

#42
August 18, 2019, 04:52:06 PM Last Edit: August 18, 2019, 04:58:37 PM by Shasarak
Quote from: HappyDaze;1099928If only it wasn't those fuckers at Paizo.

Ah, those fuckers with all of their listening to what people want and doing it.  Gawd damn bastard fuckers.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1099932Wait till my low fantasy game is published. Original setting has no real classes, only backgrounds that give you bonuses/penalties on stuff you might want to try. It'll be my "totally not Conan" ;) game.


Hey great another "not Conan".  Looking forward to adding that to the "Conan vs Conan Vs Conan vs Conan" thread.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

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pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

GeekyBugle

#43
August 18, 2019, 05:08:22 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1099934Hey great another "not Conan".  Looking forward to adding that to the "Conan vs Conan Vs Conan vs Conan" thread.

I'm hoping it'll be the definitive Pulp S&W. Who knows, you might even like it!
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

HappyDaze

#44
August 18, 2019, 05:12:18 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1099934Ah, those fuckers with all of their listening to what people want and doing it.  Gawd damn bastard fuckers.
They didn't do what I wanted. I want a game that isn't dense with fiddly shit, doesn't require a glossary for a bunch of keywords (I prefer plain language over keywords), and is optimally played TotM. PF2 fails on all of these. They may have gotten one thing right, but that doesn't make up for their bullshit.
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