Quote from: Spinachcat;1100473If anyone belongs to the Paizo forums, perhaps you should PM any posters full of scum and villainy who might be a good fit for Mos Eisley.

Might be a breath of fresh air for them.

It was surprising how sane that thread was.  You had the SJW flee the thread screaming racist, everyone else rationally talking about how species differences aren't racist, until the mod shuts it down for ThoughtCrime.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1100473If anyone belongs to the Paizo forums, perhaps you should PM any posters full of scum and villainy who might be a good fit for Mos Eisley.

Might be a breath of fresh air for them.

I think that this is a very good idea.

Having recruiting drives to bring in more posters here is probably the best thing to come out of this thread.

Quote from: CRKrueger;1100514It was surprising how sane that thread was.  You had the SJW flee the thread screaming racist, everyone else rationally talking about how species differences aren't racist, until the mod shuts it down for ThoughtCrime.

Similar to the MattColville reddit thread on decolonization. OP makes politically-charged post suggesting the hobby is deeply racist, loads of people chime in that it's just a game and who cares if orcs are evil. Difference is the mods didn't shut it down in defence of the OP.

It is odd how the people who run Paizo (and to some extent WotC), along with several tabletop forums, are much more woke than their customer-base. Why is that? Is it down to the demographics of where they're based? Or are they just terrified of challenging a group of people who the know are small, but who are able and willing to raise destructive social media mobs?

Quote from: Haffrung;1100539Similar to the MattColville reddit thread on decolonization. OP makes politically-charged post suggesting the hobby is deeply racist, loads of people chime in that it's just a game and who cares if orcs are evil. Difference is the mods didn't shut it down in defence of the OP.

It is odd how the people who run Paizo (and to some extent WotC), along with several tabletop forums, are much more woke than their customer-base. Why is that? Is it down to the demographics of where they're based? Or are they just terrified of challenging a group of people who the know are small, but who are able and willing to raise destructive social media mobs?

"And". The answer is always "and".

Quote from: Haffrung;1100539It is odd how the people who run Paizo (and to some extent WotC), along with several tabletop forums, are much more woke than their customer-base. Why is that? Is it down to the demographics of where they're based? Or are they just terrified of challenging a group of people who the know are small, but who are able and willing to raise destructive social media mobs?

  I'd suspect location, demographics (I expect a lot of their workers are young, urban, upper middle class sorts), and corporate culture. Anyone else remember that article by John Tynes about WotC's origins from 2001?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1100552I'd suspect location, demographics (I expect a lot of their workers are young, urban, upper middle class sorts), and corporate culture. Anyone else remember that article by John Tynes about WotC's origins from 2001?

I work at a big tech company in the Seattle area, and the place is fucking thick with leftist ideology. I won't go into details, because I like getting a paycheck, and one of my fears is that I'll get "outed" as not being a Kool Aid drinker.
(Not as bad as that Wizards article. Holy shit. More political though.)

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1100555I work at a big tech company in the Seattle area, and the place is fucking thick with leftist ideology. I won't go into details, because I like getting a paycheck, and one of my fears is that I'll get "outed" as not being a Kool Aid drinker.
(Not as bad as that Wizards article. Holy shit. More political though.)

  In fairness, the article's 18 years old, and is looking back to an era that was in WotC's past even then. I expect that atmosphere had an influence on them and on Paizo, though.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1100560In fairness, the article's 18 years old, and is looking back to an era that was in WotC's past even then. I expect that atmosphere had an influence on them and on Paizo, though.

Yeah, it read more as a dot com boom situation than a PC run amok situation.

Quote from: Haffrung;1100539It is odd how the people who run Paizo (and to some extent WotC), along with several tabletop forums, are much more woke than their customer-base. Why is that? Is it down to the demographics of where they're based? Or are they just terrified of challenging a group of people who the know are small, but who are able and willing to raise destructive social media mobs?

Is there any reason why creators should share the same political values as customers? I think it's more normal for businesses and customers to have differing political values. The idea that customers should only buy from businesses that match their politics is more of an aberration, coming from the highly partisan current atmosphere.

Quote from: jhkim;1100563Is there any reason why creators should share the same political values as customers? I think it's more normal for businesses and customers to have differing political values. The idea that customers should only buy from businesses that match their politics is more of an aberration, coming from the highly partisan current atmosphere.

I guess in the TSR days the average British dnder didn't have much in common with the Lake Geneva crowd. Mind you in Britain middle class and working class cultures are also miles apart, and this reflected in how we played dnd (all my friends in Belfast were working class, and we seemed to have played a lot like the working class Coventry teens in The Elfish Gene.)

Quote from: jhkim;1100563Is there any reason why creators should share the same political values as customers? I think it's more normal for businesses and customers to have differing political values. The idea that customers should only buy from businesses that match their politics is more of an aberration, coming from the highly partisan current atmosphere.

   The polarization's part of it ... another part of it is that we're seeing more and more cases where the businesses want their customers to match their politics, either explicitly or implicitly.

Quote from: jhkim;1100563Is there any reason why creators should share the same political values as customers? I think it's more normal for businesses and customers to have differing political values.

Presumably, people who create and publish the content for an entertainment medium are drawn from the same population as the audience. Folk festival organizers are a subset of folk music fans. People who run comedy clubs probably enjoy alcohol and raunchy humour. Publishers of sci-fi miniatures games are likely Star Wars and Star Trek fans.

It would strike us as odd if folk festivals were organized by heavy metal fans, comedy clubs run by prudish teetotallers, and sci-fi miniatures games published by literary snobs who looked down on genre fiction.

Quote from: jhkim;1100563The idea that customers should only buy from businesses that match their politics is more of an aberration, coming from the highly partisan current atmosphere.

Good thing I didn't suggest that. I'm just asking why it might be that if the market for D&D is 15 per cent progressive activist, at the publisher level it's 85 per cent progressive activist in outlook. What is it about being RPG publishers that either attracts people of that outlook, or incentivizes them to adopt that outlook?

Quote from: Aglondir;1100191Brawndo, it has electrolytes.

But on a gaming note, ever since D6 I've been a fan of Knowledge as a stat rather than Int, so you can play a dumb character who knows a lot, or a smart character who is clueless. But it seems like an idea that never caught on.

Ahhh, but you have now fallen into the loony cult trap! For you see A Knowledge stat is really just an Intelligence stat in disguise. You Monster!

And an Intelligence stat that is not really an IQ gauge is also really just an IQ gauge in disguise. You Monster! 2nd Ed!

And lets talk about Wisdom. You see giving natives a higher wisdom score than civilized folk is also RACIST! And a sterotype! gasp! You Monster! The the Fasistinging!

And what if Oxygen decided it liked dogs more than people? Did you ever consider that fact? No? You Monster! The Reboot!

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1100262Heck, aren't Gloranthan elves plants?

Like that matters to these nuts?

All they care about is what they can hallucinate today that these plant people REALLY represent and then attack whatever game they are in.

Quote from: jhkim;1100563Is there any reason why creators should share the same political values as customers? I think it's more normal for businesses and customers to have differing political values. The idea that customers should only buy from businesses that match their politics is more of an aberration, coming from the highly partisan current atmosphere.

I heard someone say that recent statistics show that parents would rather their children marry someone of a different race or religion then someone with a different political view.

Strange times indeed.