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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2020, 03:41:51 PM »
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I've never played online before.  Do any particular RPG rules sets work better than others when it comes to online gaming?  Are rules-light rules sets usually better for online gaming, or not necessarily?

Well rules light are usually easier to implement and less dice and mouse clicking so I would say yes.
However, more complicated systems can be well done.  Sometimes it is better to approach with the main game you want to play in mind and go from there.

Some examples of which game on which VTT works best:
Roll20:  Burning Wheel
Fantasy Grounds: 1e/2e D&D
Foundry VTT: Warhammer 4e

Personally, I think Foundry is the best deal going, expanding very rapidly and the best price point if you need more than Discord, dice-rollers and theatre of the mind.
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2020, 03:50:36 PM »
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Agree with this. It's particularly good for play by post as the DM can handle so much of the crunch that in say 3e-5e would take days of back and forth posting.

I really miss a more theater of the mind style of play. Both my groups are just not into it. I much prefer it. Combat drags so much without it. It can be fun to move icons precisely on a grid sometimes, but there is only so much of that before I just want things to go faster.

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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2020, 03:59:49 PM »
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I really miss a more theater of the mind style of play. Both my groups are just not into it. I much prefer it. Combat drags so much without it. It can be fun to move icons precisely on a grid sometimes, but there is only so much of that before I just want things to go faster.

Well, if you just need an occasional quick grid map with interactive tokens and a virtual dice box, the browser free-to-use Owlbear Rodeo might be just what you need.

used it a couple times and it's nice and handy for those occasions.

https://www.owlbear.rodeo/

Edit:  I plan on running this on an iPad, instead of having to bring a rolled up gridmap and miniatures next time I live group game at a bar with friends.
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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2020, 04:58:40 PM »
My group has been using Discord for our lock down gaming sessions and even managed to pick up a new player from the US of A.
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2020, 06:45:51 PM »
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It's clunky as hell, but since I wasn't feeling Roll20, and want to use my physical -stuff- I've been doing it over Discord.

Dice roller in one window: https://rolz.org/

Rough test of what I'm using here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvMehQzzF5I I've since 'refined' it with a second camera for my ugly mug ($9.99 for a PS3eye)

The Exploited probably has an easier solution with Google Hangouts.

With my having to do so much alt-tabbing, players having MORE distractions at home, and the lack of face-to-face, we're getting less done.


Please tell me how you do it and have the overlay with your camera feed and all!

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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2020, 09:21:02 PM »
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Well, if you just need an occasional quick grid map with interactive tokens and a virtual dice box, the browser free-to-use Owlbear Rodeo might be just what you need.

used it a couple times and it's nice and handy for those occasions.

https://www.owlbear.rodeo/

Edit:  I plan on running this on an iPad, instead of having to bring a rolled up gridmap and miniatures next time I live group game at a bar with friends.

This seems a bit easier to use than the Roll20 interface, at least for me

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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2020, 10:11:52 PM »
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Please tell me how you do it and have the overlay with your camera feed and all!

I'll be home in about an hour I'll try to summarize sensibly when I'm in front of my PC.
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2020, 11:09:47 PM »
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Please tell me how you do it and have the overlay with your camera feed and all!

Short version:  When going live on Discord, I share software, and point it at my OBS setup.

I'll post what I setup here in case it helps/inspires anyone else.

Software/Websites/Resources:

Windows 10
Discord
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ROLZ
CL-Eye Drivers (for PS3 Camera specifically)
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« Last Edit: August 02, 2020, 11:55:52 PM by LiferGamer »
Your Forgotten Realms was my first The Last Jedi.

If the party is gonna die, they want to be riding and blasting/hacking away at a separate one of Tiamat's heads as she plummets towards earth with broken wings while Solars and Planars sing.

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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2020, 11:40:10 PM »
You MIGHT be able to skip OBS, have Discord Share your screen, and use the built in Camera software... I couldn't set it up with Discord easily visible (to keep an eye on what the players are seeing) so I went with OBS:

What the players see: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702406055648296970/739688956156837958/Setup.jpg

OBS Setup:

Since I'll occasionally post a video to Youtube, I've played a little with OBS, so it was already -mostly- configured for how I'm using it now.

The one in the video has been refined a bit - I have 8 sources active in OBS - each component is a source, and many of them are optional graphical things.

To start, I close everything under View/Docks but SOURCES I also undock it so I can move it off to the side of my face capture.

Then its just click on the + and add my sources one-by-one:

Each source will appear as its own bracketed window that you can resize and move around, and will be layered in the order they are in the list - top of the list, is on top of everything else, and you can drag it in the Sources list or use the two arrows on the bottom.

You will be using some number of Image Capture, Display Capture, Window Capture, and Video Capture device.

ALL sources can also easily be toggled as visible or invisible with the EYE icon (EYEcon?) and once you're happy with their placement, Lock them with the Lock icon.  I recommend you lock everything, so you don't drag something you don't mean to.

Image Capture will allow you to put any graphic (JPG etc.) up on the screen - If you keep one near the top you can overlay it; putting the map over your camera image if you desire.

Display Capture will let you share the entire screen - I have Rolz open on my 2nd Monitor, and size it to fit in the upper corner of the screen.  I also have an alternate full screen source for the same monitor, for when I want to share a particular image/map/glance at the OneNote page.  

Window Capture is used to capture a particular piece of software, open your program first, and then go to add it as a source.  (Capture Method: Automatic, Match Title, otherwise find window of same type).
If it doesn't see it, delete and try re-adding it.  Sometimes it's flaky.

Video Capture Device is obviously your webcam.

My personal sources setup:
  • Image: Corner logo (my transparent Dd in the corner)
  • Image:  Banner - Campaign name.  Only important because I thought I might record some real plays; then I remembered I hate real plays.
  • Image:  King's Banner - my chucklefucks technically work for him.  They don't know his name even though its posted there every session.
  • Display Capture: Your WebCam - in my case is pointing at the miniatures/board setup.
  • Window Capture: Notepad.exe - I keep this as a little bar across the bottom, where I can jot down the spelling of NPC names or whatever for the players.
  • Window Capture: PSEye - this is a 'trick' with two cameras, I can only capture one as a Video Capture Device
  • Display Capture: Rolz Website.
  • Image:  Dice background image - just a wallpaper.

I have several other images that I don't necessarily save over more than a couple sessions; but you could have a large list of sources with visibility toggled off.

Just like my gaming style, its probably overcomplicated, obtuse and could be better organized, and more obtuse, but hey, we all have fun!
« Last Edit: August 02, 2020, 11:43:53 PM by LiferGamer »
Your Forgotten Realms was my first The Last Jedi.

If the party is gonna die, they want to be riding and blasting/hacking away at a separate one of Tiamat's heads as she plummets towards earth with broken wings while Solars and Planars sing.

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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2020, 10:53:45 AM »
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This seems a bit easier to use than the Roll20 interface, at least for me

Yea, it's pretty nice and straightforward.
Having the fog and paint options, etc. for free is pretty nice.

Had a bit of back and forth with the two developers and they are going to be integrating hex maps (to allow snapping).
They are looking into macros abilities as well for all those nice dice variations.

They post updates and you can provide feedback here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OwlbearRodeo/


Quote from: LiferGamer;1142887
You MIGHT be able to skip OBS, have Discord Share your screen, and use the built in Camera software... I couldn't set it up with Discord easily visible (to keep an eye on what the players are seeing) so I went with OBS:
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Nice writeup.  OBS Studio is great.

Batjon, there's these two D&D1e fanatics on YT I follow that have a pretty in-depth video on setting this all up for group play if you haven't done it before and want a visual step-by-step to accompany LiferGamer's text guide:

https://youtu.be/KZMSMBeNqdA
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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2020, 11:06:32 AM »
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Well, if you just need an occasional quick grid map with interactive tokens and a virtual dice box, the browser free-to-use Owlbear Rodeo might be just what you need.

used it a couple times and it's nice and handy for those occasions.

https://www.owlbear.rodeo/

Wow, that's a really nice interface. The responsiveness puts Roll20 to shame. I hope they don't ruin it with bloat.
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2020, 06:47:28 PM »
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Nice writeup.  OBS Studio is great.

Batjon, there's these two D&D1e fanatics on YT I follow that have a pretty in-depth video on setting this all up for group play if you haven't done it before and want a visual step-by-step to accompany LiferGamer's text guide:

https://youtu.be/KZMSMBeNqdA

Thanks for the kind words rocks.

If I could bring myself to ignore all my terrain and mini collection, Owlbear rodeo looks about what I'd use.  

Anyone wants a closer look or whatever, PM me or respond here - I'm home the next couple (few?) days waiting on the results of my Kung-Flu test.  -_-
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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2020, 05:15:20 PM »
Dusting this off - because we're still remote, I'm trying out Owlbear Rodeo because of my need for a bigger play area.  Thanks rocksfalls.
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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2020, 06:26:47 AM »
I play a lot online, mainly d&d 5e but also some Deadlands Savage Worlds, and use Discord and Google Slides exclusively. Discord handles the chat side of things, with the Avrae bot handling dice rolling and character sheets using the dnd beyond links, and Google Slides handling maps and combat. Google Slides is great as a real time collaboration, if I was more of a nerd I would figure out how to have intro fade ins and special effects in the maps for the players to witness.

But honestly I can't be bothered putting in that much effort.