See I have a solution to all these problems.

We need to create an industry group that licenses GM's for proper ethical standards in gaming and moral righteousness. We could call it - the Department Of Neutral Gamemastering or D.O.N.G. for short.

Anyone of any gender or race or creed can get their DONG license. If you break  any of the bylaws by having "problematic" content in your games - then your DONG card will be cut in half, and you will not be allowed to GM anymore.

This way game-designers can make whatever they want and sell it. No one will be experiencing anything problematic in their games because the GM's themselves will be regulated!

See! All da monies and egos is protected!

There was something odd about the tone of Raggi's letter. Like maybe he knows something we don't and sees the writing on the wall. Oh well, who knows?

Tenbones, the "DONG" joke was gold. Good show, sir.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;852873There is always that possibility. I can't pretend to know what anyone is thinking. But I also have been following Raggi on google plus for a while and I have come to the conclusion that he genuinely believes the things he says. I think he has a right to be concerned. I wouldn't have responded the way he did, but I do think, given the content of his line, he has a right to wonder where this lead. The letter he sent out was mainly to existing customers so I don't know how many sales he hopes to generate. I can say from my own experience that unless he included a discount coupon in that email, probably not many.

I doubt anyone ever expected the letter to remain confined to those who intially received it. I saw it online within an hour of opening it in my mail and I knew that would be the case as soon as I read it. The wider disemination is hardly a surprise- in fact it is pretty much the opposite of surprise.  I mean this is the OSR; it is  made of cut and paste. It hardly seems liley this letter would be immune from CTRL-v  foundations of the movement. Further, Raggi courts controversy at every opportunity, so, perhaps, you'll excuse my skepticism.

Quote from: JamesV;852871Can't be both?

Notice I used the word ''more."

Quote from: tenbones;852875See I have a solution to all these problems.

We need to create an industry group that licenses GM's for proper ethical standards in gaming and moral righteousness. We could call it - the Department Of Neutral Gamemastering or D.O.N.G. for short.

Anyone of any gender or race or creed can get their DONG license. If you break  any of the bylaws by having "problematic" content in your games - then your DONG card will be cut in half, and you will not be allowed to GM anymore.

This way game-designers can make whatever they want and sell it. No one will be experiencing anything problematic in their games because the GM's themselves will be regulated!

See! All da monies and egos is protected!

Now THAT is classic comedy gold!  Well played, sir!

Quote from: Aos;852882I doubt anyone ever expected the letter to remain confined to those who intially received it. I saw it online within an hour of opening it in my mail and I knew that would be the case as soon as I read it. The wider disemination is hardly a surprise- in fact it is pretty much the opposite of surprise.  I mean this is the OSR; it is  made of cut and paste. It hardly seems liley this letter would be immune from CTRL-v  foundations of the movement. Further, Raggi courts controversy at every opportunity, so, perhaps, you'll excuse my skepticism.

I think he is being sincere. I also think he doesn't mind if it generates sales too. I do not believe that was the aim here. He has a pretty nice arrangement with the way things are on OBS now. 100K is nothing to sneeze at in this industry. Threatening to sever ties completely with them, even for a future hypothetical, isn't a minor move. So I think he is genuinely concerned one of his games will get pulled. Not saying his games will be or that his reaction wasn't a bit on the dramatic side, I can just see the concern as valid.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;852886I think he is being sincere. I also think he doesn't mind if it generates sales too. I do not believe that was the aim here. He has a pretty nice arrangement with the way things are on OBS now. 100K is nothing to sneeze at in this industry. Threatening to sever ties completely with them, even for a future hypothetical, isn't a minor move. So I think he is genuinely concerned one of his games will get pulled. Not saying his games will be or that his reaction wasn't a bit on the dramatic side, I can just see the concern as valid.

You say tomato, I say victim card. As I see no point to browbeating you, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I gotta admit I was really surprised by the $100K number. Wow. I mean, I love LoFP's stuff yet I never would have imagined it as being that profitable.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;852736Maybe it is because I grew up and started gaming at the height of the Satanic Panic and the the whole Heavy Metal Suicide Outrage, but I am always pretty suspicious of people who try to take down books or art under the guise of protecting people from hurtful or dangerous ideas.

So one would think that the "omega wolves" from unpopular political and sexual identities would be MORE likely to recognize the danger here.
The fact that they don't is why I have little regard for their movement.

JG

Whoever you are, I support your right to be a sick, twisted, trashy-ass fuck. Because if I don't like your sensationalist, juvenile and/or fucked-up shit, I can ignore it using my own internal "remove" button. I don't need someone else to do that for me (you demented, rape-fantasy-promulgating, boob-fetishist freakazoid).

Or:

To each his own.:-)

P.S. But this ToR thing...Really?  Why, guys?  I mean...why?

Quote from: tenbones;852875See I have a solution to all these problems.

We need to create an industry group that licenses GM's for proper ethical standards in gaming and moral righteousness. We could call it - the Department Of Neutral Gamemastering or D.O.N.G. for short.

Anyone of any gender or race or creed can get their DONG license. If you break  any of the bylaws by having "problematic" content in your games - then your DONG card will be cut in half, and you will not be allowed to GM anymore.

This way game-designers can make whatever they want and sell it. No one will be experiencing anything problematic in their games because the GM's themselves will be regulated!

See! All da monies and egos is protected!

I want a DONG license T-Shirt.

Quote from: cranebump;852910Whoever you are, I support your right to be a sick, twisted, trashy-ass fuck. Because if I don't like your sensationalist, juvenile and/or fucked-up shit, I can ignore it using my own internal "remove" button. I don't need someone else to do that for me (you demented, rape-fantasy-promulgating, boob-fetishist freakazoid).

Or:

To each his own.:-)

P.S. But this ToR thing...Really?  Why, guys?  I mean...why?

Exactly.

Quote from: DavetheLost;852874Interesting observation about Raggi and Lamentations of the Flame Priestess. Right now on TBP (d20) there is a 5 page mostly possitive thread about LotFP. Saying yes, it's dark, violent, gory, and has a fair bit of sex in it, but it is aiming for a particular aethetic and is not exploitation or slime.

I don't really have an opinion on LotFP other than that it doesn't seem to be the sort of game I am looking for so I haven't looked at it.

Yes, but I also remember the threads where people were flipping out over the Grindhouse edtion, images of women getting dismembered and punctured and whatnot.*


* By whatnot, I mean some pretty gruesome imagery. Puruse at your own risk.

http://www.somethingawful.com/dungeons-and-dragons/lamentations-flame-princess/10/

Quote from: baragei;852744It could be fun if they made the button really big and red, and pushing it would make wow-woo-sounds and flashing lights go off. Combine that with an automatic tweet everytime someone reports something, and it would occupy the outrageists for months.

Heh.

Automatic Email: "Congratulations! You have filed a report with Drive-Thru and made it known that you have moral/ethical/political objections to the attached product. Rest assured, your decisive and courageous act will be taken very seriously. You may pat yourself on the back for doing your part to combat [insert social issue of your choice]. With this seemingly small act, you are contributing to making the world a better, more inclusive place. You should feel good about yourself. You are a good person, taking time out of your busy schedule to put extraordinary effort into advancing the cause of social justice. Unlike all those other people who skipped over this title, were so immersed in patriarchal rape-culture that they did not possess your keen insight into how potentially damaging this product might be, or simply lacked your awareness of the problematic nature of this product you so wisely discerned. Great people like yourself protect the populace from dangerous ideas that manipulate people's behaviour. Today, you may very well have saved a life."

Quote from: Intergalactic Threat;852664Have you read it?

No. But I AM curious and will likely pick it up when it's available just to check it out.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;852716That's just crazy talk!

Everybody knows TBP is WRONG because they condemn works based on the author, not the content, so anything done by an author they like will be condemned here because it shows how superior this site is because... um... er... nope, I got nothin'.

If they support JW Hentai game while skewering ToR then they will be giant hypocrites. Is this site superior? No. Unless you consider that I can say what I want here and have actual conversations where over there I couldn't touch that thread with a 10' pole with the tip dipped in lamp oil and set alight.

Quote from: cranebump;852910...

To each his own.:-)

P.S. But this ToR thing...Really?  Why, guys?  I mean...why?

You answered it yourself. To each his own. But for full disclosure and to be specific since I can't seem to get my detractors to do that with me (on other sites...).

A game of Hentai subjects could let me explore puerile fantasies of tentacle sex, submission and strange magical powers. I personally don't see why that's a bad thing. It could also be a cathartic experience like a horror movie might be as I deal with these dark subjects in a safe space (my gaming table with trusted friends). It could allow me to be a super hero fighting the horror these subjects represent, giving me an opportunity to enact revenge in a safe constructive manner. It could give two couples a catalyst to explore titillating over-the-top subject matters in a "kinky" space.

Why? In the end because I want to. Because I should be free to do so If I'm not breaking any laws or hurting anyone. Because make-believe is not the same as doing it in real life (of which I would be horrified for real).

I'm saddened that because I might want to play a Hentai game now I'm a pedophile rapist deviant pervert who should be hot-branded with a scarlet A on my face and tossed into the dark waters of perdition...

This whole thing stinks of witch-hunts and communism. I support everyone's right to not only NOT play or buy these games but to even be spared the sight of them via filters and settings! I have been reasonable with all my opponents, even those I believe are using this witch-hunt to further personal agendas that have more to do with control and business than with the actual subject at hand.

I support Liberty and Freedom of Speech. I consider these ideals cornerstones of my country and critical founding principles of the Constitution of the United States of America. I believe that when it becomes OK to persecute, bully and oppress one segment or group, then the precedent is set for us to persecute, bully or oppress ANY segment or group.

You don't have to agree with me. I'm just asking that you cut me the same slack you would any other "unusual or non-conformist" group or person out there. You don't have to shit on me because you don't like a game I'm playing or advocating for. Call me a pervert, fine. It's true. I am a pervert.

I am not a criminal. Or a rapist. Or a pedophile. My desire to play a Hentai game once in a blue moon does not now make me want to sneak into your homes and start raping everyone.

It's me. The same Trent you have been putting up with for the last decade (+) who just loves to play tabletop RPGs.

I'm not trying to hurt anyone.

Quote from: TristramEvans;852934Heh.

Automatic Email: "Congratulations! ...

Hilarious!! That would actually be taken seriously I imagine.