Quote from: Opaopajr;1073064:confused: OK, but that was already covered by illusions. Those are present in all setting genres, from mental to physical projections, either from self or by others, designed to ambiguate context. This wheel has already been made.

Why are you trying to 'Phantasmal Force' your players, instead of merely their PCs? :confused:

This is the same pitfall issue when playing in dreamscapes and coherency is never established for any length of time. If anything is possible at all times, then there is no correlation to guess causation, even if only briefly. And doing so things quickly devolve into nothing mattering. There is no way to meaningfully react to stimuli, so its a quick ride into passivity until things settle down.

What is to be gained from this?

Quote from: Razor 007;1073106I need you to roll a perception check.  Just kidding....

That fiendish troll isn't an illusion.  You just encountered something new and different.  Its existence offers the possibility of new directions in the campaign; not forced any further by the DM, but rather by waiting to see how the players react to the encounter.

Quote from: Azraele;1073122Pretty sure my players would either:
1) Run away, or
2) Make pals with it and conquer the world

I really should learn my lesson and assume that they'll befriend whatever giant monster I toss at them... My campaigns have a bad habit of ending with player-friendly dragons burning the world to cinders.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1073125Some people just want to watch the world burn ...

Quote from: Azraele;1073122Pretty sure my players would either:
1) Run away, or
2) Make pals with it and conquer the world

I really should learn my lesson and assume that they'll befriend whatever giant monster I toss at them... My campaigns have a bad habit of ending with player-friendly dragons burning the world to cinders.