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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2022, 09:28:38 AM »

Some of you may already know that One Book Shelf (DTRPG) posted some new rules for content creators and publishers, etc.  Here's the link: https://onebookshelfpublisherservice.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/227866447-Publisher-Conduct-Guidelines

Erik Tenkar and others are calling that last guideline "the Venger rule"... while I do like to provoke a reaction as an artist, I try to be professional with DTRPG's staff.  Of course, years ago I was much more... passionate about how I expressed things. In the spirit of professionalism, I also try to remember that it's not OBS who are reporting and "blacklisting" my products but a small minority of very angry (and in my opinion) very disturbed customers who obviously love me so much that they want me all to themselves.  Hey, there's enough Venger to go around!

Anyway, here's Tenkar's video: https://youtu.be/bjRUyvWPdN4

I'll probably make my own later today. 

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2022, 09:31:58 AM »
OBS is a company. They do not censor, they decide someone is more trouble than they are worth (i.e. bring in money).
Also, some people seem to lack the reading comprehension or the OP was deliberately disingenious: OBS is not calling it the venger rule. An unaffiliated third party does. So, obs is neither disparaging the OP, nor their customers.

tl;dr: the op is a precious little snowflake who whined about nothing much happening to them at all

Its BS.  What are people going to do if they don't like something that was published?  Boycott?  Where are they going to get .pdfs from since OBS is practically a monopoly.

If people don't like the product then don't buy/download it.   But OBS should be serving everone, not just the woke complainers.
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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2022, 09:40:48 AM »
These agreements come with terms that you not cause more reputational damage than the meagre income you bring in.  Once that line is crossed any sane company will terminate that relationship.

So this means divisive and politically oriented woke works should be out of their site?

Yes, if they stand to lose money distributing it.

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2022, 09:53:22 AM »

Some of you may already know that One Book Shelf (DTRPG) posted some new rules for content creators and publishers, etc.  Here's the link: https://onebookshelfpublisherservice.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/227866447-Publisher-Conduct-Guidelines

Erik Tenkar and others are calling that last guideline "the Venger rule"... while I do like to provoke a reaction as an artist, I try to be professional with DTRPG's staff.  Of course, years ago I was much more... passionate about how I expressed things. In the spirit of professionalism, I also try to remember that it's not OBS who are reporting and "blacklisting" my products but a small minority of very angry (and in my opinion) very disturbed customers who obviously love me so much that they want me all to themselves.  Hey, there's enough Venger to go around!

Anyway, here's Tenkar's video: https://youtu.be/bjRUyvWPdN4

I'll probably make my own later today. 

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2022, 10:02:36 AM »
   Ah yes, the "build your own" mantra in response to censorship.  Strange how guys like Elon make that melt down in a heart beat when they do just as suggested (and build or buy their own). 

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2022, 10:20:16 AM »
Except OBS does not have a monopoly. There are tons of publishers of all sizes who sell their own stuff over  their own websites (in lieu of obs or in addition).
I recently bought things for city of mist, star trek adventures and several others directly from the "source" (in as so far you can say that with publishers) and it worked just fine.

Not getting into politics here, but the reality is OBS is a business, they keep what sells and does not require effort. VS' stuff is disappearing from there, because he is more trouble than he brings in. The "woke stuff" stays because it sells more than the complaints cost. And do not make the mistake to think this is being driven by loud minorities("complainers"). I guarantee that a business like OBS carefully analyzes these sorts of things.
Same with nike and Kaepernick. They got boycotted, crunched the numbers, released an add with him anyway and had record high stocks. I am not giving moral commentary here, but people generally overestimate how big the bubble is they are in. Business do not.

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2022, 10:34:40 AM »
Except OBS does not have a monopoly. There are tons of publishers of all sizes who sell their own stuff over  their own websites (in lieu of obs or in addition).
I recently bought things for city of mist, star trek adventures and several others directly from the "source" (in as so far you can say that with publishers) and it worked just fine.

Not getting into politics here, but the reality is OBS is a business, they keep what sells and does not require effort. VS' stuff is disappearing from there, because he is more trouble than he brings in. The "woke stuff" stays because it sells more than the complaints cost. And do not make the mistake to think this is being driven by loud minorities("complainers"). I guarantee that a business like OBS carefully analyzes these sorts of things.
Same with nike and Kaepernick. They got boycotted, crunched the numbers, released an add with him anyway and had record high stocks. I am not giving moral commentary here, but people generally overestimate how big the bubble is they are in. Business do not.

  Well....Vanguard and Blackrock being the number 2 and 3 largest shareholders also factored heavily into Nike's decision making.  They also have IMMENSE control over stock prices...which do not run with sales performance, and honestly a mega corporation these days can have those two things go in different directions and stay rolling so long as the sugar daddy keeps the money going even if sales fall.    I am not so sure OBS as to OBS's ownership break down, I have no idea how much effect a few loud trolls can have on their decision making, but given the past 5-10 years and seeing fringe ideas and messaging amplified as if it were mainstream, I think assuming incredible business acumen being the reason for the shots they call and the only reason would be a mistake.   I can accept we have no idea how much those things affect decisions in totality, but I think we should also accept the peanut gallery has more sway now than ever.

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2022, 10:42:03 AM »
Except OBS does not have a monopoly. There are tons of publishers of all sizes who sell their own stuff over  their own websites (in lieu of obs or in addition).
I recently bought things for city of mist, star trek adventures and several others directly from the "source" (in as so far you can say that with publishers) and it worked just fine.

Not getting into politics here, but the reality is OBS is a business, they keep what sells and does not require effort. VS' stuff is disappearing from there, because he is more trouble than he brings in. The "woke stuff" stays because it sells more than the complaints cost. And do not make the mistake to think this is being driven by loud minorities("complainers"). I guarantee that a business like OBS carefully analyzes these sorts of things.
Same with nike and Kaepernick. They got boycotted, crunched the numbers, released an add with him anyway and had record high stocks. I am not giving moral commentary here, but people generally overestimate how big the bubble is they are in. Business do not.

  Well....Vanguard and Blackrock being the number 2 and 3 largest shareholders also factored heavily into Nike's decision making.  They also have IMMENSE control over stock prices...which do not run with sales performance, and honestly a mega corporation these days can have those two things go in different directions and stay rolling so long as the sugar daddy keeps the money going even if sales fall.    I am not so sure OBS as to OBS's ownership break down, I have no idea how much effect a few loud trolls can have on their decision making, but given the past 5-10 years and seeing fringe ideas and messaging amplified as if it were mainstream, I think assuming incredible business acumen being the reason for the shots they call and the only reason would be a mistake.   I can accept we have no idea how much those things affect decisions in totality, but I think we should also accept the peanut gallery has more sway now than ever.
Do you think vanguard and blackrock make money by investing in business that do well or in business that don't? Because your answer does not track at all.
I am not saying incredible business acument, if they had that, they obviously would not work in the rpg field at all. I am saying, they have a very good idea what sells and what does not and with that knowledge continue to grow. If they remove something, then it is because it hurts the bottom line, not because of some sort of agenda. Let's be real here, businesses have no agenda beyond making money. Sometimes that entails paying money for something that appeals to customers. But in the end, everything is done in service of the bottom line.

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2022, 10:46:06 AM »

Some of you may already know that One Book Shelf (DTRPG) posted some new rules for content creators and publishers, etc.  Here's the link: https://onebookshelfpublisherservice.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/227866447-Publisher-Conduct-Guidelines

Erik Tenkar and others are calling that last guideline "the Venger rule"... while I do like to provoke a reaction as an artist, I try to be professional with DTRPG's staff.  Of course, years ago I was much more... passionate about how I expressed things. In the spirit of professionalism, I also try to remember that it's not OBS who are reporting and "blacklisting" my products but a small minority of very angry (and in my opinion) very disturbed customers who obviously love me so much that they want me all to themselves.  Hey, there's enough Venger to go around!

Anyway, here's Tenkar's video: https://youtu.be/bjRUyvWPdN4

I'll probably make my own later today. 

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2022, 11:07:45 AM »
Monopolies are all over America, thanks to the right carefully killing laws meant to stop them.


Look at diamond distributors, they are a monopoly on comic distribution, and a court ruled they were but did nothing because they were not a monopoly on ALL printed media.

Think. I'm wrong?   Suck it.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Comic_Distributors


My state has a monopoly on electricity that price gouges constantly.

Cable companies are monopolies protected hy the state.
 
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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2022, 11:33:03 AM »
   Ah yes, the "build your own" mantra in response to censorship.  Strange how guys like Elon make that melt down in a heart beat when they do just as suggested (and build or buy their own).

This isn't what we are implying when we say to build your own.  The centralization of commerce into hubs like Amazon, OBS, etc... is anti-competitive.  Publishers should be creating and owning their own distribution channels.

The only thing I personally buy on DriveThru are TSR-era reprints that I refuse to pay 4x the original price for a roached out used copy.  Everything else, I go directly to the publishers store front.
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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2022, 12:31:47 PM »
Just mass report woke products. The woke will engage in hostile marketing. If OBS doesn't follow their own guidelines, then you can use that against them. You could sue them for religious persecution or something, idk.

If I ever publish any products on OBS, then I'm going to pad my products with "minority" NPCs and obnoxiously advertise my alphabet person of color status so that I can cry "bigot!" if they ever try to censor me.


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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2022, 12:55:07 PM »
Just mass report woke products. The woke will engage in hostile marketing. If OBS doesn't follow their own guidelines, then you can use that against them. You could sue them for religious persecution or something, idk.

If I ever publish any products on OBS, then I'm going to pad my products with "minority" NPCs and obnoxiously advertise my alphabet person of color status so that I can cry "bigot!" if they ever try to censor me.
Acting in bad faith has ways of catching up with you. If they decide you're abusing the system,  they can remove your access to it easily enough and they won't shed a tear.

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2022, 01:33:13 PM »
Just mass report woke products. The woke will engage in hostile marketing. If OBS doesn't follow their own guidelines, then you can use that against them. You could sue them for religious persecution or something, idk.

If I ever publish any products on OBS, then I'm going to pad my products with "minority" NPCs and obnoxiously advertise my alphabet person of color status so that I can cry "bigot!" if they ever try to censor me.
Acting in bad faith has ways of catching up with you. If they decide you're abusing the system,  they can remove your access to it easily enough and they won't shed a tear.
Yeah, you're right. I find this extremely frustrating because it means I have to carefully go through my work and make sure I'm not writing anything that the woke could find offensive, lest my bank account get frozen.

Basically the only safe topics to write about is either misogynistic torture-porn where male fetuses eat their way out of their mothers, the life of a Seattle Starbucks barista, or porn. I'm being hyperbolic, yeah, but dear god the woke fiction is horrific.

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Re: OBS new policies
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2022, 02:30:25 PM »
Except OBS does not have a monopoly. There are tons of publishers of all sizes who sell their own stuff over  their own websites (in lieu of obs or in addition).
I recently bought things for city of mist, star trek adventures and several others directly from the "source" (in as so far you can say that with publishers) and it worked just fine.

Not getting into politics here, but the reality is OBS is a business, they keep what sells and does not require effort. VS' stuff is disappearing from there, because he is more trouble than he brings in. The "woke stuff" stays because it sells more than the complaints cost. And do not make the mistake to think this is being driven by loud minorities("complainers"). I guarantee that a business like OBS carefully analyzes these sorts of things.
Same with nike and Kaepernick. They got boycotted, crunched the numbers, released an add with him anyway and had record high stocks. I am not giving moral commentary here, but people generally overestimate how big the bubble is they are in. Business do not.

  Well....Vanguard and Blackrock being the number 2 and 3 largest shareholders also factored heavily into Nike's decision making.  They also have IMMENSE control over stock prices...which do not run with sales performance, and honestly a mega corporation these days can have those two things go in different directions and stay rolling so long as the sugar daddy keeps the money going even if sales fall.    I am not so sure OBS as to OBS's ownership break down, I have no idea how much effect a few loud trolls can have on their decision making, but given the past 5-10 years and seeing fringe ideas and messaging amplified as if it were mainstream, I think assuming incredible business acumen being the reason for the shots they call and the only reason would be a mistake.   I can accept we have no idea how much those things affect decisions in totality, but I think we should also accept the peanut gallery has more sway now than ever.
Do you think vanguard and blackrock make money by investing in business that do well or in business that don't? Because your answer does not track at all.
I am not saying incredible business acument, if they had that, they obviously would not work in the rpg field at all. I am saying, they have a very good idea what sells and what does not and with that knowledge continue to grow. If they remove something, then it is because it hurts the bottom line, not because of some sort of agenda. Let's be real here, businesses have no agenda beyond making money. Sometimes that entails paying money for something that appeals to customers. But in the end, everything is done in service of the bottom line.

  they make money on stock prices, of which they control huge shares in most of the big corporations in the country, and honestly own one another.  They can manipulate the stock price of almost any company any time they want....they make money from shifting money around and borrowing ever more to own more companies.  These are the source of ESG scores, which has jack shit to do with making money.   It is the reason razor companies decide having commercials about men teaching their daughters to shave or decrying manly behavior is a good idea.   My answer tracks EXACTLY with current year, and you are correct it most certainly would NOT track with a true reality of "business is business" decisions.   When there are corporations with 10 trillion in assets out there, there is no free market business, it is whatever the lord and master decides.