Some of you may already know that One Book Shelf (DTRPG) posted some new rules for content creators and publishers, etc.  Here's the link: https://onebookshelfpublisherservice.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/227866447-Publisher-Conduct-Guidelines

Erik Tenkar and others are calling that last guideline "the Venger rule"... while I do like to provoke a reaction as an artist, I try to be professional with DTRPG's staff.  Of course, years ago I was much more... passionate about how I expressed things. In the spirit of professionalism, I also try to remember that it's not OBS who are reporting and "blacklisting" my products but a small minority of very angry (and in my opinion) very disturbed customers who obviously love me so much that they want me all to themselves.  Hey, there's enough Venger to go around!

Anyway, here's Tenkar's video: https://youtu.be/bjRUyvWPdN4

I'll probably make my own later today. 

VS

Quote from: VengerSatanis on June 27, 2022, 04:26:48 PM
I'll probably make my own later today. 

VS

You might only get one go at it before OBS decides you've gotten your one warning, especially if you're critical of OBS in your post. Do what you want, but be ready for the consequences.

Quote from: VengerSatanis on June 27, 2022, 04:26:48 PM

Some of you may already know that One Book Shelf (DTRPG) posted some new rules for content creators and publishers, etc.  Here's the link: https://onebookshelfpublisherservice.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/227866447-Publisher-Conduct-Guidelines

Erik Tenkar and others are calling that last guideline "the Venger rule"... while I do like to provoke a reaction as an artist, I try to be professional with DTRPG's staff.  Of course, years ago I was much more... passionate about how I expressed things. In the spirit of professionalism, I also try to remember that it's not OBS who are reporting and "blacklisting" my products but a small minority of very angry (and in my opinion) very disturbed customers who obviously love me so much that they want me all to themselves.  Hey, there's enough Venger to go around!

Anyway, here's Tenkar's video: https://youtu.be/bjRUyvWPdN4

I'll probably make my own later today. 

VS

Don't Cuck! Tell 'em exactly what you think of all this!

Quote from: VengerSatanis on June 27, 2022, 04:26:48 PMSome of you may already know that One Book Shelf (DTRPG) posted some new rules for content creators and publishers, etc.  Here's the link: https://onebookshelfpublisherservice.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/227866447-Publisher-Conduct-Guidelines

That is insane. They will censor you and if you mention the fact that you've been censored they will censor you some more. Why would any writer put up with that?!?

Quote from: hedgehobbit on June 27, 2022, 07:08:40 PM

Quote from: VengerSatanis on June 27, 2022, 04:26:48 PMSome of you may already know that One Book Shelf (DTRPG) posted some new rules for content creators and publishers, etc.  Here's the link: https://onebookshelfpublisherservice.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/227866447-Publisher-Conduct-Guidelines

That is insane. They will censor you and if you mention the fact that you've been censored they will censor you some more. Why would any writer put up with that?!?

Because they want to make money from selling their products in quantity. Did you expect any other answer?

For those of you with several products out there, what's the landscape like as far as selling RPG products without interference from evil & unhinged wokists? What percentage of business comes from DTRPG, OBS, or other service that has demonstrated hostility to creators based on political reasons?

There needs to be more PDF and Print On Demand publishers for RPGs. OBS can't be the only one. I know Lulu exists. And I have used them. But what else is out there that brings in the customers at any decent level?

Competition in the space makes for better customer service. For certain. But competition would also give creators more leverage as well.

Hostile Marketing. How very PC of OBS. OBS is slandering its vendors, their businesses, and the customers of those vendors.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on June 27, 2022, 07:08:40 PM

Quote from: VengerSatanis on June 27, 2022, 04:26:48 PMSome of you may already know that One Book Shelf (DTRPG) posted some new rules for content creators and publishers, etc.  Here's the link: https://onebookshelfpublisherservice.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/227866447-Publisher-Conduct-Guidelines

That is insane. They will censor you and if you mention the fact that you've been censored they will censor you some more. Why would any writer put up with that?!?

OBS is a company. They do not censor, they decide someone is more trouble than they are worth (i.e. bring in money).
Also, some people seem to lack the reading comprehension or the OP was deliberately disingenious: OBS is not calling it the venger rule. An unaffiliated third party does. So, obs is neither disparaging the OP, nor their customers.

tl;dr: the op is a precious little snowflake who whined about nothing much happening to them at all

Knowing that you have to work with these guys (for the moment at least). I think you're better off doing adult/mature stuff as per usual, but not pushing the boundaries with overtly and obvious religious preaching (aka - anti-abortion pics, etc.).

I'm not saying you shouldn't do that (if you must) but sell it on your own platform and draw attention to it on other social media. Grim Jim did that with a few of his products that he knew could be problematic.

Venger, a name from the DnD cartoon.

Satanis, a reffernfe to what a lot of people consider an evil character .

I mean I like to piss off the right, using names they hate, like Roosevelt Clinton Obama. I expect them to hate me and howl about it. I've gone on Christian sites as ''Lucifer's missionary' to troll people.

But taking an offensive name and trolling can have consequences. Ask the one man freakshow/trainwrek/toxic waste site who named his son Adolf hitler heath and had all 9 (oh dear Lord!) of his kids taken away by the state after he showed up at a court hearing in a Nazi uniform.

I took a minute of my time to familiarize myself with it. Wow, the vibes I get from it are control, control, control. Don't like it! Glad I left dtrpg marketplace. Looking at the state of things now reminds me how awful this woke bs has been in the minds of people. The way these rules were written sound like there's a mild tone of rage to them, imho. Like, they really want to demand you don't release your product in multiple places, or cheaper in other markets? Bit outta of touch.

Once again... you enter a distribution agreement with OBS when you chose to use their service to promote your products instead of building your own channels on the Internet.  These agreements come with terms that you not cause more reputational damage than the meagre income you bring in.  Once that line is crossed any sane company will terminate that relationship.

If you are so inclined to create works that push against the grain, your alternative is to get a domain, setup your e-commerce site, and pay for the advertisement to generate traffic.  No-one owes you access to their platforms on the Internet.  Build it yourself or find a different company that will distribute that work.

Grim Jim brings up some good points...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY3PsSLKCl0

Quote from: Palleon on June 28, 2022, 08:37:03 AM
These agreements come with terms that you not cause more reputational damage than the meagre income you bring in.  Once that line is crossed any sane company will terminate that relationship.

So this means divisive and politically oriented woke works should be out of their site?