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OBS new policies

Started by VengerSatanis, June 27, 2022, 04:26:48 PM

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zircher

#90
June 29, 2022, 05:31:41 PM
I'm sure that they're fine with it until it is used against them.  It's that how the story always goes?
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GhostNinja

#91
June 29, 2022, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: zircher on June 29, 2022, 05:31:41 PM
I'm sure that they're fine with it until it is used against them.  It's that how the story always goes?

You are right about that.
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DocJones

#92
June 29, 2022, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on June 28, 2022, 05:58:24 PM
Great video but I have to ask, did he have to do the video shirtless?  Kind of hard to take him seriously.
I think it was metaphorical.
He was about to lose his shirt when OBS banned him for the video.

GeekyBugle

#93
June 29, 2022, 06:22:15 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on June 29, 2022, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on June 29, 2022, 11:18:32 AM

If you're serious, as an independent dev I'm not willing to pay more than 20% unless there's enough spotlight time that would justify a increased percentage.

I am as serious as it gets.  So would 15% be acceptable?  I think that could cover costs while giving the lions share to the developer.

Fuck yeah! I('m not a developer but count with me for anything I can help with (other than money ATM), need a logo etc? I can whip one up for FREE. And also count on me to promote the hell out of the store free of charge, I bet I can enlist other like minded people to help promote it too.

If we can convince Pundit, Raggi, Grim, Venger, Eric and other developers here to sell there you'd have some guaranteed traffic from the word go.
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Palleon

#94
June 29, 2022, 07:01:02 PM
Quote from: DocJones on June 29, 2022, 06:06:34 PM
I think it was metaphorical.
He was about to lose his shirt when OBS banned him for the video.

Nah... go back and look at all the recent videos that are just James in front the the green screen.  It's the running gag he's naked.

GeekyBugle

#95
June 29, 2022, 08:57:54 PM
Hey GhostNinja I just had an idea, maybe it's just stupid but I thought about ahring it anyway:

Something that I just thought... Maybe offering the initial 10 publishers a bigger cut for a couple of years in exchange for some upfront money to finance the start up?

Or how about a crowdfunding campaign, the reward tiers are % discounts for the first year or a number of coupons with some discount on each.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

BoxCrayonTales

#96
June 29, 2022, 09:05:06 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on June 29, 2022, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: zircher on June 29, 2022, 05:31:41 PM
I'm sure that they're fine with it until it is used against them.  It's that how the story always goes?

You are right about that.
This is why I'm against such policies. You never know when it will be used against you, and it will be used against you.

The problem is that it will probably take a while for this to turn on the woke and in that time they could do irreversible damage.

Zelen

#97
June 29, 2022, 09:19:49 PM
I would be willing to help contribute a modest donation to finance an alternative site. I bet a number of people would also, especially if there's a bundle of content you get for doing so.

Rob Necronomicon

#98
June 29, 2022, 09:26:30 PM
Quote from: Zelen on June 29, 2022, 09:19:49 PM
I would be willing to help contribute a modest donation to finance an alternative site. I bet a number of people would also, especially if there's a bundle of content you get for doing so.

I would too. But the only way I see something like that working would be having a few mid-level creators willing to come on board. You'd want it to be seen as a place that favors the artist and fosters creativity. As opposed to drivethru "the best out of a bad lot".

I think you'd also have to take a lesser cut. Do drivethru take 30% for exclusive and 40 for non-exclusive. I can't remember (my work is on there but I don't manage it).
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Hopladamus

#99
June 29, 2022, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 29, 2022, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 29, 2022, 04:14:06 AM
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Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.
You can criticize them, and then they can then "reserve the right to refuse service" to you.

Yes, but it's an extremely poor business practice for a big marketplace such as OBS. They can just ignore my criticism if they are not interested.
Or perhaps, as another poster pointed out, they really aren't that big so that when shit is flung at them, they feel it and want to hit back. If that's the case, you can put up your fight, but on their turf you're going to lose. They might lose you as a customer, but they seem comfortable with the consequences. You'll lose access to anythign there you might want to sell as well as anything you've bought. Is it worth it to you?

It's not that they are not a big company, it's just that tabletop RPGs are not a big industry. What would happen if the other companies started banning people from criticizing them? Are we to just stop doing game criticism completely?
They can't take away your free speech, but they can impose consequences as it relates to your continued access to their products/services. That doesn't mean anyone has to stop criticizing them...but they might not want to shit where they eat.

Shirtless dude took a stand on his video. Let's see what happens.
I fully acknowledge that they have every right to do this. I just think that it's a dishonest way to run a business.

Palleon

#100
June 29, 2022, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 29, 2022, 09:30:31 PM
I fully acknowledge that they have every right to do this. I just think that it's a dishonest way to run a business.

Someone sat down and ran numbers.  "We make 30% of X number of sales for $Y.  It costs us $Z in labor to review everything after bullshittery.  $Z is larger than we are making.  Cut these creators lose."

Eirikrautha

#101
June 29, 2022, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on June 29, 2022, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: zircher on June 29, 2022, 05:31:41 PM
I'm sure that they're fine with it until it is used against them.  It's that how the story always goes?

You are right about that.

So, let's find every game with a trans character under age 18 and report them for child abuse (the state of Florida aG even suggested hormone replacement and trans surgery on minors as child abuse, so we've got legal cover).   Then harvest the LOLs...

GeekyBugle

#102
June 30, 2022, 02:18:41 AM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on June 29, 2022, 09:26:30 PM
Quote from: Zelen on June 29, 2022, 09:19:49 PM
I would be willing to help contribute a modest donation to finance an alternative site. I bet a number of people would also, especially if there's a bundle of content you get for doing so.

I would too. But the only way I see something like that working would be having a few mid-level creators willing to come on board. You'd want it to be seen as a place that favors the artist and fosters creativity. As opposed to drivethru "the best out of a bad lot".

I think you'd also have to take a lesser cut. Do drivethru take 30% for exclusive and 40 for non-exclusive. I can't remember (my work is on there but I don't manage it).

Grimm already said he would also contribute with a small ammount and would be happy to sell there, that's one. James Raggi would probably sell there too, add Venger, MAYBE Pundit and you have 4 well known creators directing people to the site.

Now add ALL the smaller fish here and maybe just maybe other not so small fish.

I'm betting the site could launch with about 20-30 creators.

Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Hopladamus

#103
June 30, 2022, 05:58:58 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 30, 2022, 02:18:41 AM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on June 29, 2022, 09:26:30 PM
Quote from: Zelen on June 29, 2022, 09:19:49 PM
I would be willing to help contribute a modest donation to finance an alternative site. I bet a number of people would also, especially if there's a bundle of content you get for doing so.

I would too. But the only way I see something like that working would be having a few mid-level creators willing to come on board. You'd want it to be seen as a place that favors the artist and fosters creativity. As opposed to drivethru "the best out of a bad lot".

I think you'd also have to take a lesser cut. Do drivethru take 30% for exclusive and 40 for non-exclusive. I can't remember (my work is on there but I don't manage it).

Grimm already said he would also contribute with a small ammount and would be happy to sell there, that's one. James Raggi would probably sell there too, add Venger, MAYBE Pundit and you have 4 well known creators directing people to the site.

Now add ALL the smaller fish here and maybe just maybe other not so small fish.

I'm betting the site could launch with about 20-30 creators.

Don't forget Vincent Florio (TheEvilDM). He's the guy who makes Mazes and Perils and he's very much against the woke crowd. Tenkar, who also sells a few supplements on OBS, could be another potential partner.

Also, this might be a controversial suggestion, but Judges Guild, Varg Vikernes, and Zak Smith would probably also be willing to sell their products there. It should be fine as long as the storefront makes it clear that they do not affiliate themselves with the views of any of their publishers. In fact, the SJWs should also be allowed to sell their products there if they think that the platform is good.

Mithgarthr

#104
June 30, 2022, 07:08:24 AM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on June 29, 2022, 09:26:30 PM
I would too. But the only way I see something like that working would be having a few mid-level creators willing to come on board. You'd want it to be seen as a place that favors the artist and fosters creativity. As opposed to drivethru "the best out of a bad lot".

I think you'd also have to take a lesser cut. Do drivethru take 30% for exclusive and 40 for non-exclusive. I can't remember (my work is on there but I don't manage it).

They take 30% if you're exclusive, and 35% if you're not.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 30, 2022, 02:18:41 AM
Grimm already said he would also contribute with a small ammount and would be happy to sell there, that's one. James Raggi would probably sell there too, add Venger, MAYBE Pundit and you have 4 well known creators directing people to the site.

Now add ALL the smaller fish here and maybe just maybe other not so small fish.

I'm betting the site could launch with about 20-30 creators.

Tiny fish here. I've been exclusive on DT since I first put something out about 10 years ago, but would absolutely sell on whatever site gets creates in response to this clusterfuck.
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