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OBS new policies

Started by VengerSatanis, June 27, 2022, 04:26:48 PM

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Hopladamus

I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.

oggsmash

Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.

  This I agree with and posters saying Venger brought this to his own door with drama could be 100 percent right.  I just think people pretending a whole lot of corporations are not engaging in activism, and in many cases run by political activists, are missing the forest for the trees.   I have doubts OBS is doing this...but it seems to happen enough in lots of businesses to cast some doubts on many "business" decisions from lots of businesses.

Krazz

I've been avoiding buying from OBS for a while because of their censorship. Which is a pity, because having my pdfs available to download in one place is convenient.

My advice to Venger would be to discuss this with them if you can. If a title is reported and censored and found to have no problems, then the same happens again, there's a clear pattern. Yes, the next reported title might be bad, but most likely they are enabling bullies to bring down products during their high-selling release weeks, hurting OBS and the publisher. So they should still investigate within two weeks, but for any publisher that has gone through this a few times without problems being found, they should leave the product up while investigating. I get companies playing it safe, but here they're just encouraging toxic behaviour that prevents their customers from getting the products they want.

Tubesock Army

Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.

Because your politics aren't constitutionally protected,but your religion is, hth.

Hopladamus

Quote from: Tubesock Army on June 28, 2022, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.

Because your politics aren't constitutionally protected,but your religion is, hth.

And that's an oversight that should be fixed by the government. Either they remove all protected classes or add personal politics as one of them.

HappyDaze

Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.
You can criticize them, and then they can then "reserve the right to refuse service" to you.

oggsmash

Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 04:01:40 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on June 28, 2022, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.

Because your politics aren't constitutionally protected,but your religion is, hth.

And that's an oversight that should be fixed by the government. Either they remove all protected classes or add personal politics as one of them.

  Well....the constitution offers the exact same protections to religion as it does to freedom of speech....so it is always strange that speech (politics) has no protection in those matters, but religion does... though BOTH are mentioned in the constitution exclusively with regard to the government making laws and rules...not how businesses are allowed to act.   Strange people conjure the constitution as a protection to religion in those matters with business...but not freedom of speech.  Despite them being equal in the constitution. 

FelixGamingX1

Quote from: HappyDaze on June 28, 2022, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.
You can criticize them, and then they can then "reserve the right to refuse service" to you.

Regardless, to retaliate and penalize someone for criticizing your business practices, which have significantly declined in quality, imo, is like inviting more bad publicity. A business their size with some many years behind them should have never published such set of rules. They way it's written sounds like someone drafted them out of ire for something recent and maybe not well thought over? And to be frank, I didn't like the tone of the email. My games helped pay staff salary, so when it comes to publishers I believe there's got to be level communication. This tone make it seem like somehow they regard themselves as superior beings over everyone else.
American writer and programmer, since 2016.
https://knightstabletoprpg.com

Tubesock Army

Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 04:01:40 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on June 28, 2022, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.

Because your politics aren't constitutionally protected,but your religion is, hth.

And that's an oversight that should be fixed by the government. Either they remove all protected classes or add personal politics as one of them.

This is a bad post, and you should feel bad.

GeekyBugle

I'll say it once more, WE need to create a competitor to DTTRPG/OBS ASAP.
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Heavy Josh

#40
This just got posted. Apologies if it's already been posted in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PufXMjSA-Kw
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HappyDaze

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on June 28, 2022, 05:18:11 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 28, 2022, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.
You can criticize them, and then they can then "reserve the right to refuse service" to you.

Regardless, to retaliate and penalize someone for criticizing your business practices, which have significantly declined in quality, imo, is like inviting more bad publicity. A business their size with some many years behind them should have never published such set of rules. They way it's written sounds like someone drafted them out of ire for something recent and maybe not well thought over? And to be frank, I didn't like the tone of the email. My games helped pay staff salary, so when it comes to publishers I believe there's got to be level communication. This tone make it seem like somehow they regard themselves as superior beings over everyone else.
I don't disagree that it's an ugly piece of practice and their notice isn't worded all that nicely. However,  that's their choice, and they don't have to be nice. The only real question is how this will impact their $$$, and it seems they believe it won't hurt them to do this.

GhostNinja

Quote from: Heavy Josh on June 28, 2022, 05:54:58 PM
This just got posted. Apologies if it's already been posted in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PufXMjSA-Kw

Great video but I have to ask, did he have to do the video shirtless?  Kind of hard to take him seriously.

Ghostninja

FelixGamingX1

Quote from: HappyDaze on June 28, 2022, 05:55:27 PM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on June 28, 2022, 05:18:11 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 28, 2022, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.
You can criticize them, and then they can then "reserve the right to refuse service" to you.

Regardless, to retaliate and penalize someone for criticizing your business practices, which have significantly declined in quality, imo, is like inviting more bad publicity. A business their size with some many years behind them should have never published such set of rules. They way it's written sounds like someone drafted them out of ire for something recent and maybe not well thought over? And to be frank, I didn't like the tone of the email. My games helped pay staff salary, so when it comes to publishers I believe there's got to be level communication. This tone make it seem like somehow they regard themselves as superior beings over everyone else.
I don't disagree that it's an ugly piece of practice and their notice isn't worded all that nicely. However,  that's their choice, and they don't have to be nice. The only real question is how this will impact their $$$, and it seems they believe it won't hurt them to do this.
Well, if they are adopting such hostility towards publishers, odds are something is going awry in the background. The hobby has slowed down quite a LOT.
American writer and programmer, since 2016.
https://knightstabletoprpg.com

Rob Necronomicon

Just watched the James Raggi vid. I've got to say, he knocked it out of the fucking park.

Drivthru are very disingenuous with their very deliberate and 'non-specific' rules that do not favor the indie creator. Fuck em!

Take my stuff down, you fat corporate bastards.
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