I honestly still don't see the issue with Oriental Adventures, aside from that it really should've been titled Japanese Adventures given that the content and playtesters were basically all Japanese and not any significant percentage from the rest of Asia.  I get that 'oriental' is considered an outdated word for that area, but it wasn't at the time, nor did it ever have a particularly shady connotation.  After all, we still call Japan Japan, even though that's not and never has been the country's name.  You'd think that would probably be even worse.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1139864Orcs are evil. Kill orc babies.

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Quote from: Valatar;1139894I honestly still don't see the issue with Oriental Adventures, aside from that it really should've been titled Japanese Adventures given that the content and playtesters were basically all Japanese and not any significant percentage from the rest of Asia.  I get that 'oriental' is considered an outdated word for that area, but it wasn't at the time, nor did it ever have a particularly shady connotation.  After all, we still call Japan Japan, even though that's not and never has been the country's name.  You'd think that would probably be even worse.

You're not supposed to see.  You're just supposed to accept that there is a problem because people who know better than you say there is.

Quote from: TJS;1139907You're not supposed to see.  You're just supposed to accept that there is a problem because people who know better than you say there is.

Its better than that even. "Anyone who does not think this is racist is a racist!"

Quote from: Shasarak;1139873Is it bad to say that a Zombie Baby could be useful resource?  You could make a little cage and bring it out when you need it.

That's what Boromir thought about the Ring. Some things are just evil and must be destroyed!

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1139913That's what Boromir thought about the Ring. Some things are just evil and must be destroyed!

Come on, the One Ring is nowhere near as useful as a Zombie Baby.

And having a Zombie Baby is hardly corrupting at all.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1139913That's what Boromir thought about the Ring. Some things are just evil and must be destroyed!

Or Weyland-Yutani in Aliens thinking that the aliens could be controlled and used.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1139752Because it's the goddamn company caving in to one podcast. Why should WOTC put "warning labels" on ALL their previous products?

Do you agree with WOTC that ALL of the pre-5th edition prouduct is offensive?

Do you think the slacktivists were correct, and that Oriental Adventures should have been taken off the marketplace?

Or are you here to try and troll people, and you don't actually give a shit beyond the trolling?

None of that ruins your life. They didn't pull any books they put up a meaningless disclaimer. But even if they had pulled some old PDFs it would not "ruin your life". Particularly since it wasn't that long ago that these books were not even for sale. You're being a drama queen. Admit your life is not ruined by any of this bullshit if you want to be taken seriously.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1139755Yeah, you were tots talking about WotC when you typed this:

You were tots not comparing us with the SJWs, no sire, not you, you've never been a disingenuous twat playing Mote & Bailey and moving from one to the other when someone challenges your bullshit.

FECK OFF!

You ARE behaving like SJWs if you endorse a message of "don't play 5e even if you like it" and "you're ruining my life" by putting a disclaimer on a PDF of an old book almost nobody is buying.  If you don't like the comparison, then don't behave like whiny little entitled shits maybe? Because you are in fact just the other side of the same coin with SJW the way you're behaving right now. There is nothing smart about this kind of bullshit behavior.

Quote from: Brad;1139772You do realize that is EXACTLY what the SJWs are trying to do, right? But instead of just saying, "Don't play that garbage," like people here, they actively seek to destroy your life unless you capitulate and burn all the copies of the books you have and delete the PDFs.

You might THINK you have the moral high ground, but you're just next on the chopping block.

Brad, the tactic of "Don't play games you like because the company that makes them is morally objectionable to me" is in fact just as bad as what SJW do. WOTC is not in fact trying to "destroy your life" by putting a stupid disclaimer on their old PDFs, and endorsing that kind of message is just as whiny as any of the bullshit SJWs do. If you think behaving exactly like SJW is the way to beat SJWs, good luck with that. And yes, I do have the fucking moral high ground on both SJWs and the weak ass whiny bullshit moral policing going on in this thread simultaneously. It's not hard, as y'all are all hanging in the gutter together at the moment. Be better. Call out your own when the behave like this. It's what we'd want those on the left to do to SJWs, right?

Quote from: Mistwell;1139922You ARE behaving like SJWs if you endorse a message of "don't play 5e even if you like it" and "you're ruining my life" by putting a disclaimer on a PDF of an old book almost nobody is buying.  If you don't like the comparison, then don't behave like whiny little entitled shits maybe? Because you are in fact just the other side of the same coin with SJW the way you're behaving right now. There is nothing smart about this kind of bullshit behavior.

So back to the mote are we? Or is that the bailey?

No, I'm not behaving like you and your compatriots, because I'm not trying to destroy the life of those who choose to keep on giving money to WotC you disingenuous twat.

Neither am I trying to destroy yours for thinking different, nor to have WotC's products banned from DTRPG.

But you keep on destroying that strawman, I'm sure you're teaching it a lesson!

Bill once asked me, "So you, as a Jewish guy, would play Myaforg if it were actually good?"

Yes. Yes, I would.

Nazi, evangelical Christian, SJW, communist, child rapist, I just don't care. Is it good? Of course, any material written with an ideology in mind will generally not be good, because they're trying to produce something ideologically correct, rather than something good. So it's unlikely. But D&D5e wasn't produced with ideological aims, that's just nonsense they slapped on as a sticker later. I reject 5e not because of this pandering to SJWs nonsense, but on the basis that it does less than 1e does, and does less while using a lot more words and shitty glossy books.

If you refuse to play a game you like because of the politics or personal life of the authour, then you are choosing to play a game you like less, instead. Which means that to spite someone who will never know or care that you didn't play their game (or watch their movie, etc), you are consciously choosing to reduce the amount of happiness in your life. It does you no good to cut off your nose to spite someone else's face.

Now, pass the cheesey snacks, shut the fuck up and roll the dice. We have baby orcs to kill!

Quote from: Mistwell;1139922You ARE behaving like SJWs if you endorse a message of "don't play 5e even if you like it" and "you're ruining my life" by putting a disclaimer on a PDF of an old book almost nobody is buying.  If you don't like the comparison, then don't behave like whiny little entitled shits maybe? Because you are in fact just the other side of the same coin with SJW the way you're behaving right now. There is nothing smart about this kind of bullshit behavior.

You keep moving the goalposts as usual while being disingenuous imo.

Unlike the repressive regressive SJWs I am not looking for youur personal information and doxxing you on the Internet. Nor trying to get you fired, cancelled or ruining your life. Simply because I don't like the fact that your reading and owning something I find offensive.

That is the difference I think because of your carefully constructed personal narrative refuse to see let alone acknowledge. Trying to say "well look at you just the same" we are not yet when one has no other argument nor refuses to concede they maybe wrong, all one has left is "well what about you".

Quote from: Brad;1139772You do realize that is EXACTLY what the SJWs are trying to do, right? But instead of just saying, "Don't play that garbage," like people here, they actively seek to destroy your life unless you capitulate and burn all the copies of the books you have and delete the PDFs.

Okay... not that I'm not critical of those podcasters/twitter heroes, their arguments and their goals: But that is quite far from what they actually want, namely for WotC to pull or demonetize the book. Which is fitting, seeing as how they apparently got it from [download site name redacted] themselves.
That is less of a slippery slope argument and more of a slippery chasm argument.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1139927Nazi, evangelical Christian, SJW, communist, child rapist, I just don't care. Is it good?

Well, playing is not really issue here, is it? Buying is. Buying means, essentially, economically and morally supporting a person or company whose actions you find reprehensible. And while I have a very high level of tolerance before I even consider such questions, your latter example would certainly beyond that level of tolerance. Your specific mention of that example seems to imply to me that either you haven't thought this through or you have a worrying lack of qualms about the kind of person you would willingly support and engage in a social relationship (which a business relationship is) in...

QuoteNow, pass the cheesey snacks, shut the fuck up and roll the dice. We have baby orcs to kill!

... or maybe you're just being an Edgelord.