The OGL debacle didn't convince me to try new systems, but did convince my wife and daughters to branch out.  That was a nice side-effect for me, as I don't want to be just a collector of non-D&D systems.

Ordered SWADE core last week, might have gotten the last copy or might have missed it, as the label has been printed but it hasn't shipped yet.  Already had C&C core books (loaned out to my best friend and DM), but will pick up new editions (or printings, but I hope they go with editions to further differentiate that they're changing to remove OGL stuff) when released.  Looking at other systems, too, for one-shots or just for a fun diversion from long campaigns.

Honestly?  It's starting to feel a bit like the 90s, with a plethora of different systems, worlds, and publishers, and D&D still big but not the sole big name.  I love it.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 20, 2023, 08:13:51 AM
Still playing 5E is one thing. You've already bought the books, and burning them may be therapeutic but it's pointless.

Now, if they've dropped their Beyond account and have no plans to pick up 6E, that's another story.

Yeah. I have an ongoing 5E campaign, with a setting developed for 5E. I don't feel any need to quit these. I'm just not buying any more Wizards material and encouraging others to do the same. I never had a D&DBeyond account, but if I did, I'd drop it.

In general, dealing with greedy corporations has always been a necessary evil. Outside of RPGs, most of the stuff I use in my life are made by greedy corporations - car, electronics, food, etc. That's not purely evil - maximizing profit motivates them to keep costs down. Corporate behavior has to pass a certain threshold to get me to boycott. When I do boycott, I try to make it targeted, and clearly communicate what the boycott is for.

I'm seeing two anecdotal things that surprise me:

- Usually, all I hear about is stuff that directly pertains to my gaming group, and occasionally what a player is doing in another group.  Now, I'm hearing third, fourth, or greater degree removed plans to explore other games as a direct result of WotC's behavior.

- Multiple times, I've had someone who isn't a TTRPG gamer at all get involved in the discussion--already aware of the basics of the issue.  It's been at least 25 years since I've had even one comparable discussion about anything TTRPG-related.

Quote from: jhkim on January 20, 2023, 12:18:38 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 20, 2023, 08:13:51 AM
Still playing 5E is one thing. You've already bought the books, and burning them may be therapeutic but it's pointless.

Now, if they've dropped their Beyond account and have no plans to pick up 6E, that's another story.

Yeah. I have an ongoing 5E campaign, with a setting developed for 5E. I don't feel any need to quit these. I'm just not buying any more Wizards material and encouraging others to do the same. I never had a D&DBeyond account, but if I did, I'd drop it.

In general, dealing with greedy corporations has always been a necessary evil. Outside of RPGs, most of the stuff I use in my life are made by greedy corporations - car, electronics, food, etc. That's not purely evil - maximizing profit motivates them to keep costs down. Corporate behavior has to pass a certain threshold to get me to boycott. When I do boycott, I try to make it targeted, and clearly communicate what the boycott is for.

D&D 5E has simple and quickly understandable Stat Blocks, for everything.  It's quicker and easier for me to convert from 5E, to the super simple way I play D&D; than it is for me to convert from Pathfinder 1st Edition, which I also have a huge pile of books for.  I use Pathfinder to fill in any gaps, and supplement what I have for 5E.  So many dang monsters to choose from.  And occasionally; I find myself looking through the 4th Edition books, too.  Especially Dark Sun.

A little over 6 years ago, I felt a strong urge to collect a bookcase full of print content for D&D.  I probably didn't buy what others would have; but I have a lot to read through and draw from, at least.

Okay, this one is interesting.

I had a search that linked to TBP. I decided to check it out and all the virtual signalling about BLM, anti-AA violence, etc is gone. It's been replaced with a big long one about the OGL and "we stand with creators".

Wizards screwed up enough to get TBP to temporarily quit virtue signalling.

I asked my regular gaming group about it last week, and everyone agreed that we don't want to touch D&D again, and we have enough games we can play that we'll never run out.

I'm personally very curious to see how Mythras/Runequest does as well as Free League. But I'm very curious about our fellow Mos Eisleyans here that publish and design.

Quote from: PulpHerb on January 20, 2023, 07:25:11 PM
Okay, this one is interesting.

I had a search that linked to TBP. I decided to check it out and all the virtual signalling about BLM, anti-AA violence, etc is gone. It's been replaced with a big long one about the OGL and "we stand with creators".

Wizards screwed up enough to get TBP to temporarily quit virtue signalling.

this shocks me

Quote from: tenbones on January 20, 2023, 09:18:35 PM

Quote from: PulpHerb on January 20, 2023, 07:25:11 PM
Okay, this one is interesting.

I had a search that linked to TBP. I decided to check it out and all the virtual signalling about BLM, anti-AA violence, etc is gone. It's been replaced with a big long one about the OGL and "we stand with creators".

Wizards screwed up enough to get TBP to temporarily quit virtue signalling.

this shocks me

That's OK. Our own local SJWs are busy virtue signaling here.

https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/acting-in-your-local-community/

Meanwhile in Europe...
...another side-effect of the OGL crisis:

"Three European roleplaying studios have formed a new union as part of the ongoing fallout from D&D's industry-shaking OGL plans.

The founding members of the European RPG Studios Union are Studio Agate, the French team behind decorated gothic RPG Shadows of Esteren and 5E-powered sword-and-sorcery game Fateforge; German publisher Uhrwerk Verlag, known for fantasy RPGs Splittermond and Malmsturm; and Italian company Acheron Games, maker of alt-history RPG Lex Arcana, the 'spaghetti fantasy' Brancalonia and Inferno, which adapts the Hell of Dante's Divine Comedy for D&D 5E.

In a joint statement, the ESU said that it would work to promote roleplaying games and advocate for the recognition of tabletop RPGs "as a genre of literature and form of art before national and European institutions", as well as serving to protect creators in the tabletop industry.

The ESU told Dicebreaker these efforts will include a push to enable eligibility for government subsidies like those offered to book, film and video game companies, and to promote academic study of RPGs and roleplaying design courses within schools and universities.

"We believe that roleplaying games are one of the most modern and relevant media to create interpersonal bonds. They are a tool to develop soft skills for the players," it said.

"Their distribution and practice needs to be encouraged, taught and supported by institutions just as for other artistic media such as movies, music and video games.""

You can find the full article here: https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/roleplaying-game/news/european-rpg-studios-union-forms-dnd-ogl-storm

Quote from: Rhymer88The founding members of the European RPG Studios Union are Studio Agate, the French team behind decorated gothic RPG Shadows of Esteren and 5E-powered sword-and-sorcery game Fateforge; German publisher Uhrwerk Verlag, known for fantasy RPGs Splittermond and Malmsturm; and Italian company Acheron Games, maker of alt-history RPG Lex Arcana, the 'spaghetti fantasy' Brancalonia and Inferno, which adapts the Hell of Dante's Divine Comedy for D&D 5E.

Wow! I've never heard of these games. Are any translated into English? Would you recommend any of them? What is a Spaghetti Fantasy?

Quote from: tenbonesBut I'm very curious about our fellow Mos Eisleyans here that publish and design.

I gotta say, I'm perversely interested in publishing some throwaway work for 6e (aka turning the Temple of Elemental Evil into the Fortress of Ethereal Chaos) just to see what the weather is like within the WotC Walled Garden.

So many of these 3PP companies have existed as remora fish attached to the bloated Woketard of the Crapass Coast for 20+ years and they are not going to enjoy the grand and overcrowded wilderness outside of the reliable sales from their current edition D&D fandom.

Quote from: Spinachcat on January 21, 2023, 04:54:19 AM

Quote from: Rhymer88The founding members of the European RPG Studios Union are Studio Agate, the French team behind decorated gothic RPG Shadows of Esteren and 5E-powered sword-and-sorcery game Fateforge; German publisher Uhrwerk Verlag, known for fantasy RPGs Splittermond and Malmsturm; and Italian company Acheron Games, maker of alt-history RPG Lex Arcana, the 'spaghetti fantasy' Brancalonia and Inferno, which adapts the Hell of Dante's Divine Comedy for D&D 5E.

Wow! I've never heard of these games. Are any translated into English? Would you recommend any of them? What is a Spaghetti Fantasy?

Shadows of Esteren, Fateforge, Brancalonia, and Lex Arcana are all available in English (at least some of the products are). Fateforge (known as Dragons in France) and Brancalonia are 5e-compatible, the other games have their own systems. You can find Fateforge and Brancalonia on drivethrurpg.

Quote from: Spinachcat on January 21, 2023, 04:54:19 AM

Quote from: Rhymer88The founding members of the European RPG Studios Union are Studio Agate, the French team behind decorated gothic RPG Shadows of Esteren and 5E-powered sword-and-sorcery game Fateforge; German publisher Uhrwerk Verlag, known for fantasy RPGs Splittermond and Malmsturm; and Italian company Acheron Games, maker of alt-history RPG Lex Arcana, the 'spaghetti fantasy' Brancalonia and Inferno, which adapts the Hell of Dante's Divine Comedy for D&D 5E.

Wow! I've never heard of these games. Are any translated into English? Would you recommend any of them? What is a Spaghetti Fantasy?

"Spaghetti Westerns" were American-style Western movies made in Italy in the 1960s; they were huge there. I've seen lots of people refer to Brancalonia as a spaghetti fantasy; I think it's not just because it's from Italy, but it doubles down on the old Western-style theming: a wandering collection of ne'er-do-wells.

Googling at random: "In terms of major plots, Spaghetti Westerns can be considered to fall into three camps -- bounty hunter films, revenge tales and political stories. Sergio Leone's films focused on the bounty hunter, in the quest for money, which was an end goal in itself."

Also, the Wikipedia article looks decent.

I had someone at work who has played D&D only a handful of times, who knows very little about the hobby, and they had heard of the whole WotC mess. I asked what they had heard from the news, and she said, "It sounds like it will hurt independent game shops and creators", which I thought was really interesting.