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Non-Political NWoD Thread

Started by Simlasa, September 29, 2019, 12:38:09 AM

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Simlasa

September 29, 2019, 12:38:09 AM
Okay, let's try this out...
I'm NWoD curious... I've yet to play... and I've got questions.

NO RW POLITICS... keep it in your pants!
(Doc Sammy might as well stay away)

So, I've been reading through some of the NWoD books and hit upon Geist.
Geist seems like a cool idea, and rubs up against another current interest of mine, which is fantasy shamans.
But from what I've read, 1st edition Geist (2009) was laden with issues because it was a bit rushed and unformed... an RPG preemie as it were.
There was apparently a 'fix' in the form of some errata and a 1.1 edition in 2012... which still had a bit of a soft-skull.

So now there is 2nd edition Geist (2019), which folks seem to be liking.

It seems to be by White Wolf, not Onyx Path (I'm still unclear on all the permutations of the WoD games).

So my question is, if anyone here knows whether 2nd edition Geist is running on NWoD core rules (the blue book) which I think I like, or is it CoD using the rules presented in The God Machine... which I am NOT that fond of.
Like, depending on how much difference there is I might as well buy the newest one, avoid the troubles of the earlier editions... but if it's different base rules and a whole different slant (I know that Thresholds were changed to... something else that actually made more sense).

Can anyone clarify what '2nd edition' means in this case and for other NWoD titles, like Promethean?

Thanks!

Snowman0147

#1
September 29, 2019, 01:04:41 AM
If it is 2.0 it most likely uses CoD rules.

Simlasa

#2
September 29, 2019, 01:16:48 AM
Do you think the alterations to the system made by God Machine rules can be easily expurgated from materials that came later? Could a 2nd edition NWoD book be used with the prior corebook without a whole lot of reworking?

Snowman0147

#3
September 29, 2019, 01:21:45 AM
Yeah further reading this it is clearly under CoD rules.  Here is the link to the kickstarter.

Snowman0147

#4
September 29, 2019, 01:24:59 AM
Quote from: Simlasa;1106515Do you think the alterations to the system made by God Machine rules can be easily expurgated from materials that came later? Could a 2nd edition NWoD book be used with the prior corebook without a whole lot of reworking?

No.  You are honestly fucked my friend.  Which is a shame because Geist is pretty damn good game once you get passed on all the flaws of the mechanics because some one had to rush it.  I honestly view it as the polar opposite of Changeling the Lost where it is very bleak in appearance, but really happy in truth.  Meanwhile changeling looks like a colorful place of unlimited joy, but the truth of it all is very bleak.  If they stuck with that angle it may have sold better.

Simlasa

#5
September 29, 2019, 01:30:25 AM
So, best to go with 1st edition Geist and its errata?

Any clue on what changes to setting Promethean might have gotten 2nd time around?

Snowman0147

#6
September 29, 2019, 02:04:12 AM
Without getting political because you wanted that.  More CoD mechanics that you cannot easily remove.  Your just better off going nWoD and avoiding CoD.  It has everything you want and easier to understand mechanics that allow for streamline play.  Plus it should be cheaper now to get those books.

Omega

#7
September 29, 2019, 02:27:00 AM
One of my players was verrrry into all the WOD stuff and played for years in the local LARP.

They were not impressed at all with the new material and the new-new material even less.

BarefootGaijin

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September 29, 2019, 04:00:28 AM Last Edit: September 29, 2019, 04:13:00 AM by BarefootGaijin
I'm also WoD curious, never played, have CtL 1e, VtR 1e and the blue book. Is there a TL;DR on the CoD differences? Probably I expect, but pressed for time. I like the nWoD stuff and I heard rumblings of things like 'beats' and stuff from later versions. WoD/nWoD/CoD/V5/etc is all a bit confusing (I think I said that elsewhere though).

EDIT: Beats, tilts, conditions, integrity not morality (because good people do bad things too). My head is spinning.
I play these games to be entertained... I don't want to see games about rape, sodomy and drug addiction... I can get all that at home.

Mordred Pendragon

#9
September 29, 2019, 08:51:47 AM
Quote from: Simlasa;1106507Okay, let's try this out...
(Doc Sammy might as well stay away)

You can't tell me what to do!

Seriously though, I'd just stick with 1E. Avoid anything from 2E like the plague, given the convoluted mechanical changes in that edition.
Sic Semper Tyrannis

Snowman0147

#10
September 29, 2019, 12:05:50 PM
That I will add that nWoD doesn't focus on real world politics unlike CoD.  Just saying you won't get any gamergate are evil people in Promethean 1E unlike say Beast: The Primordial.  So if you want to avoid politics completely go 1E.

PencilBoy99

#11
September 29, 2019, 12:32:59 PM
I really like most of the CoD stuff - though I think Beast and Mummy make more sense as antagonists. However, the system is super crunchy and heavy on the GM.

Omega

#12
September 29, 2019, 12:35:34 PM
Quote from: Snowman0147;1106628That I will add that nWoD doesn't focus on real world politics unlike CoD.  Just saying you won't get any gamergate are evil people in Promethean 1E unlike say Beast: The Primordial.  So if you want to avoid politics completely go 1E.

That I can confirm. All the 1e Vamp, Wraith, Mage, Mummy books I have were very political free. But then WW came on the scene just as the counter PC movement was picking up pace in the 90s. They made a business out of being about as anti-PC as you can get away with and still be allowed on store shelves. And one or two, or more books went a lil too far and were refused here and there due to the adult content.

They also seemed to have a semi-cohesive blanket concept going on with the various settings. How much of that, if any, does N or N+ WOD retain? Both in background overlap between say Werewolf and Vampire, and system overlap?

Snowman0147

#13
September 29, 2019, 02:35:50 PM
As far as I am concern there are three world of darknesses.  There is cWoD which is short of Classic World of Darkness which has you vampire, werewolf, mage, wraith, and so on.  Then 2004 rolled around to bring us nWoD which had its vampire, werewolf, mage, promethean, and so on.  Finally we have CoD which has vampire, werewolf, mage, demon, beast, and so on.  I am saying is get cWoD, but avoid any 5th edition as Paradox doesn't even know what to do with them.  I am also saying avoid CoD because Onyx Path cannot help themselves.  What you want is pre V5 cWoD and nWoD.

Simlasa

#14
September 29, 2019, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: Snowman0147;1106649What you want is pre V5 cWoD and nWoD.
OK, that had been my inclination so far.
I already had a pile of cWoD that I inherited from someone. One of those things I've got nostalgia for despite never having played... an imaginary version of what OWoD might have been like (but NOT like the nonsense I saw in the cafes at the time... silly thespians!).
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