Saw a video claiming the #OSR is a scam. Allow me to disagree.

1st Argument: It's a bunch of people wanting to make money...
And? What's wrong with making money? Or is it because it hurts WotC bottom line?

Also
Scam: a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
"an insurance scam"

Fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
"he was convicted of fraud"

a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
"mediums exposed as tricksters and frauds"

Can you prove the OSR is doing any of those things? If so please do fill a legal complaint, Since it involves delivery thru mail I'm sure it could also get the mail fraud charge thrown in.

Once upon a time, people could just walk by a product they didn't want.  Now a portion of society has decided it has to be illegal and/or immoral to produce something "they" don't 100% approve of.  It must be very frustrating to move through life like that.

Quote from: Almost_Useless on October 03, 2021, 07:28:44 PM
Once upon a time, people could just walk by a product they didn't want.  Now a portion of society has decided it has to be illegal and/or immoral to produce something "they" don't 100% approve of.  It must be very frustrating to move through life like that.

I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of VALID criticisms to throw at the OSR, but a scam?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:23:15 PM
Saw a video claiming the #OSR is a scam.

I thought that everything that I disagree with is a scam and or lying grifter?   


More seriously though, if you get a book of OSR rules for your money is that a scam?   My feeling is not a scam even if I dont like it.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:23:15 PM
Saw a video claiming the #OSR is a scam. Allow me to disagree.

1st Argument: It's a bunch of people wanting to make money...
And? What's wrong with making money? Or is it because it hurts WotC bottom line?

Also
Scam: a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
"an insurance scam"

Fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
"he was convicted of fraud"

a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
"mediums exposed as tricksters and frauds"

Can you prove the OSR is doing any of those things? If so please do fill a legal complaint, Since it involves delivery thru mail I'm sure it could also get the mail fraud charge thrown in.

Please link to the video for full context.

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 07:42:21 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:23:15 PM
Saw a video claiming the #OSR is a scam. Allow me to disagree.

1st Argument: It's a bunch of people wanting to make money...
And? What's wrong with making money? Or is it because it hurts WotC bottom line?

Also
Scam: a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
"an insurance scam"

Fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
"he was convicted of fraud"

a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
"mediums exposed as tricksters and frauds"

Can you prove the OSR is doing any of those things? If so please do fill a legal complaint, Since it involves delivery thru mail I'm sure it could also get the mail fraud charge thrown in.

Please link to the video for full context.

No, feel free to use google tho.

Quote from: Shasarak on October 03, 2021, 07:41:09 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:23:15 PM
Saw a video claiming the #OSR is a scam.

I thought that everything that I disagree with is a scam and or lying grifter?   


More seriously though, if you get a book of OSR rules for your money is that a scam?   My feeling is not a scam even if I dont like it.

Well you see, according to the guy you should go buy AD&D1e or 2e from DT and since the OSR products aren't D&D therefore...

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:48:28 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 03, 2021, 07:41:09 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:23:15 PM
Saw a video claiming the #OSR is a scam.

I thought that everything that I disagree with is a scam and or lying grifter?   


More seriously though, if you get a book of OSR rules for your money is that a scam?   My feeling is not a scam even if I dont like it.

Well you see, according to the guy you should go buy AD&D1e or 2e from DT and since the OSR products aren't D&D therefore...

If that's what you want to play, then sure, buy the real thing over a clone, but I understand that many ORR games are more than just clones these days. Those offer new and different stuff yet are still OSR, so not a scam (assuming that's the whole message of the video that's a thorn in your ass).

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 07:57:12 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:48:28 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 03, 2021, 07:41:09 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:23:15 PM
Saw a video claiming the #OSR is a scam.

I thought that everything that I disagree with is a scam and or lying grifter?   


More seriously though, if you get a book of OSR rules for your money is that a scam?   My feeling is not a scam even if I dont like it.

Well you see, according to the guy you should go buy AD&D1e or 2e from DT and since the OSR products aren't D&D therefore...

If that's what you want to play, then sure, buy the real thing over a clone, but I understand that many ORR games are more than just clones these days. Those offer new and different stuff yet are still OSR, so not a scam (assuming that's the whole message of the video that's a thorn in your ass).

Quote@GeekyBugle  It is good to know what someones intention is(making money, or they wouldn't be here). Also pushing something that only leads to confusing people(The OSR), I don't see that being a benefit to anyone(other than people who want to make money).

Those who lack the common sense to understand that the OSR only exist(currently) to help people get paid, or they lack any real intelligence and because of their ignorance they degrade what I have pointed out, those people are not really worth listening to in my opinion.

No where in what I said, am I saying lets make a law against people making money. I think the OSR draws a lot fake people, that preach politics(not because they care) and everything else to get paid. They don't care if they make a mess of things while they get paid. All about those views and the dollar bills yo.

You don't have to care, but you also don't have to walk around with your head in the sand.

You are not here to consider what I said in a fair way. Boring!

Now fuck off.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:59:51 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 07:57:12 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:48:28 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 03, 2021, 07:41:09 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:23:15 PM
Saw a video claiming the #OSR is a scam.

I thought that everything that I disagree with is a scam and or lying grifter?   


More seriously though, if you get a book of OSR rules for your money is that a scam?   My feeling is not a scam even if I dont like it.

Well you see, according to the guy you should go buy AD&D1e or 2e from DT and since the OSR products aren't D&D therefore...

If that's what you want to play, then sure, buy the real thing over a clone, but I understand that many ORR games are more than just clones these days. Those offer new and different stuff yet are still OSR, so not a scam (assuming that's the whole message of the video that's a thorn in your ass).

Quote@GeekyBugle  It is good to know what someones intention is(making money, or they wouldn't be here). Also pushing something that only leads to confusing people(The OSR), I don't see that being a benefit to anyone(other than people who want to make money).

Those who lack the common sense to understand that the OSR only exist(currently) to help people get paid, or they lack any real intelligence and because of their ignorance they degrade what I have pointed out, those people are not really worth listening to in my opinion.

No where in what I said, am I saying lets make a law against people making money. I think the OSR draws a lot fake people, that preach politics(not because they care) and everything else to get paid. They don't care if they make a mess of things while they get paid. All about those views and the dollar bills yo.

You don't have to care, but you also don't have to walk around with your head in the sand.

You are not here to consider what I said in a fair way. Boring!

Now fuck off.

You so butthurt because others don't like you. So sad.

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 08:18:38 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:59:51 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 07:57:12 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:48:28 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 03, 2021, 07:41:09 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:23:15 PM
Saw a video claiming the #OSR is a scam.

I thought that everything that I disagree with is a scam and or lying grifter?   


More seriously though, if you get a book of OSR rules for your money is that a scam?   My feeling is not a scam even if I dont like it.

Well you see, according to the guy you should go buy AD&D1e or 2e from DT and since the OSR products aren't D&D therefore...

If that's what you want to play, then sure, buy the real thing over a clone, but I understand that many ORR games are more than just clones these days. Those offer new and different stuff yet are still OSR, so not a scam (assuming that's the whole message of the video that's a thorn in your ass).

Quote@GeekyBugle  It is good to know what someones intention is(making money, or they wouldn't be here). Also pushing something that only leads to confusing people(The OSR), I don't see that being a benefit to anyone(other than people who want to make money).

Those who lack the common sense to understand that the OSR only exist(currently) to help people get paid, or they lack any real intelligence and because of their ignorance they degrade what I have pointed out, those people are not really worth listening to in my opinion.

No where in what I said, am I saying lets make a law against people making money. I think the OSR draws a lot fake people, that preach politics(not because they care) and everything else to get paid. They don't care if they make a mess of things while they get paid. All about those views and the dollar bills yo.

You don't have to care, but you also don't have to walk around with your head in the sand.

You are not here to consider what I said in a fair way. Boring!

Now fuck off.

You so butthurt because others don't like you. So sad.

Yeah HappyDerp, that's exactly it.

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 07:42:21 PM
Please link to the video for full context.

CondorDM did the series at his youtube channel.

Quote from: Snowman0147 on October 03, 2021, 08:25:12 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 07:42:21 PM
Please link to the video for full context.

CondorDM did the series at his youtube channel.

Thank you. That will help narrow the search down.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:38:29 PM
I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of VALID criticisms to throw at the OSR, but a scam?

Quote from: Almost_Useless on October 03, 2021, 07:28:44 PM
Once upon a time, people could just walk by a product they didn't want.  Now a portion of society has decided it has to be illegal and/or immoral to produce something "they" don't 100% approve of.  It must be very frustrating to move through life like that.

RPG Product critiques:

SJW Gamer:"This is an evil racist scam ripping WotC and official D&D off. There are no gay NPCs or combat wheelchairs in this game so it was obviously made by literal Nazis.

We need to boycott, ban, and de-platform not only this game, but its creators, and all their friends.

Why?

Because FUCK Nazi's!  That's why.

*runs to twitter to gin up the outrage mob*


RPGSite Gamer: "Meh, doesn't do it for me. The lore is a bit over my woke limit, and that whole wheel chair thing is such nonsense. Plus they don't want me to buy their game if I don't agree with their politics! WTF, that's nuts. I don't think I'm gonna give money to people who hate me."

*Starts thread making fun of the game and its creators on the RPGSite*


Smart-Boy fence-sitter: *Sees thread mocking stupid SJW gamers and their new hotness woke game*

Well, I read the game, and nothing I saw in it was a Big Deal. Why can't you guys just ignore it!? What's wrong with you? Why can't you RPGSite Gamers see that you are doing the Exact Same Thing as the SJWs!


Just thought I'd get this out of the way...

Quote from: Jaeger on October 03, 2021, 08:27:09 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:38:29 PM
I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of VALID criticisms to throw at the OSR, but a scam?

Quote from: Almost_Useless on October 03, 2021, 07:28:44 PM
Once upon a time, people could just walk by a product they didn't want.  Now a portion of society has decided it has to be illegal and/or immoral to produce something "they" don't 100% approve of.  It must be very frustrating to move through life like that.

RPG Product critiques:

SJW Gamer:"This is an evil racist scam ripping WotC and official D&D off. There are no gay NPCs or combat wheelchairs in this game so it was obviously made by literal Nazis.

We need to boycott, ban, and de-platform not only this game, but its creators, and all their friends.

Why?

Because FUCK Nazi's!  That's why.

*runs to twitter to gin up the outrage mob*


RPGSite Gamer: "Meh, doesn't do it for me. The lore is a bit over my woke limit, and that whole wheel chair thing is such nonsense. Plus they don't want me to buy their game if I don't agree with their politics! WTF, that's nuts. I don't think I'm gonna give money to people who hate me."

*Starts thread making fun of the game and its creators on the RPGSite*


Smart-Boy fence-sitter: *Sees thread mocking stupid SJW gamers and their new hotness woke game*

Well, I read the game, and nothing I saw in it was a Big Deal. Why can't you guys just ignore it!? What's wrong with you? Why can't you RPGSite Gamers see that you are doing the Exact Same Thing as the SJWs!


Just thought I'd get this out of the way...

You forgot the bit where the sjw rips up the fence and shoves it up the ass of the fence sitter board by board.