All right, I'm going to be old-fashioned here and try to apply a bit of logic.

Unless you are going to define "OSR" by one person and that one person HAS committed fraud- e.g. taking the money and returning nothing- then no, OSR is not a scam. I assume RPGPundit has been delivering his products.

Maybe OSR is cloning some older material- say, "Island of Dread"- under superficial cosmetic changes? No, clearly not. And Dungeons and Dragons could be accused of ripping off older wargaming if it comes to that.

So I'm assuming a more vague definition, that "OSR" is about taking money from suckers who believe it's about returning gaming to a golden age that never existed. In other words, the old "year zero" tactic. You are literally buying from someone who is selling something that doesn't exist because it never did.

Look, when you get "woke" politics crammed down your throat in games these days I can assure people while some political correctness was in gaming all along- Morgan Ironworlf the fighter (1977), it was never toxic, and nobody actually told you how to play. And quite frankly I can't help but wonder if what feminism there was was just an attempt to get more customers since by now it's obvious feminists were pretty gullible all along.

Therefore "OSR" is about putting the game ahead of anything else, like it used to be. This is where RPGPundit gets it wrong: there WAS a "golden age" of gaming precisely because there WAS room for innovation without the shackles of political correctness. Back then an all-male group of heroes could rescue the Silver Princess from a demonic demigod without anyone trying to ban the game, and the only reason they modified that module was simply because it was not considered appropriate for children due to the female captive scene- this was decades ago, remember.

So no, it is not a "scam," and any attack on it is really about attacking something that won't actively endorse the leftist mentality.

Quote from: Snowman0147 on October 03, 2021, 08:25:12 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 07:42:21 PM
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CondorDM did the series at his youtube channel.

It was pretty funny.  He did a video saying he wanted to promote free speech and discussion within the roleplaying community.  I responded to his video saying that the experience of many people on the right is that when someone says they want "open discussion" that really means they want to preach left wing propaganda and want the right wing people to shut up and listen.  He said he would absolutely never do that and was insulted that I would even think such a thing. 

He then did another video I think it was about OSR people being gatekeepers or some such thing, which I responded to saying I'd never seen any OSR people act in any way like he was accusing them of, and he deleted my comment.  When I protested my comment being deleted he said that he would not stand for people disagreeing with him on his youtube channel.

It was such cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy that it was shocking to me.  I haven't bothered going back since that incident.  I can't believe a channel that can simultaneously claim to want open discussion while deleting comments that disagree can have anything of real benefit to add to the gaming community.

So this post isn't about a particular game but just a general warning that if you're interested in the OSR I would recommend against spending any time on Condor's channel.  Your time would be better spent on any number of other gaming channels.

I use D6 fantasy-adventure-space and not anything that utilizes a d20, but osr products are still valuable for art and maps and ideas and info, I mean, I know how to map abilities over between systems, it's not like an osr adventure module's stat blocks are useless, because I can convert dnd stat blocks over to D6 like nothing.

If you wanted to do medieval authentic fantasy england, in any system, dark albion has already done the homework for you for example, you do get your moneys worth out of osr stuff, even rehashes of classic modules...imagine for example if someone wanted to rehash the classic ravenloft module but change it up to replace strahd with a cyborg necromancer, keeping the overall floor plans of the castle but altering everything just enough to make the castle a rocket ship...thats wild, thats old school, thats gonzo...and worth buying probably for the art work and reimagined techno-horror critters likely to be drawn and statted within.

Or I've had too much to drink. Either way.

I support the OSR. It isn't a scam.

The OSR games I have bought are some of my favorites. They bring me countless hours of joy. And I look forward to see what other OSR creators create.

I don't give a rip about the politics surrounding the OSR. I just care about good products. If it's a good product, it has my attention.