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No, the OSR isn't a scam

Started by GeekyBugle, October 03, 2021, 07:23:15 PM

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Naburimannu

#60
October 05, 2021, 05:13:32 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 04, 2021, 05:37:43 PM
Yeah, but if what I want to drink is a Coke and I can get a Coke, I'm not going settle for a Sam's Cola. I'm OK with getting the real thing rather than a cheap knock-off...

And look, this circles back to the whole point of the video that prompted this thread.

Where's the cheap knock-off?

I mean, ACKS does the domain game and economics and varied race-as-class options far better than any TSR/WOTC offering. ASSH isn't to my taste as a ruleset but it's a lot more tailored to its world than any TSR/WOTC offering. Sine Nomine games have integrated procedural generation and random tables at least as good as any TSR/WOTC offering, and they work better for me personally than any Judges' Guild I've tried; where he's written world-tailored rulesets (Red Tide / Crimson Pandect), again, it's more tailored to the world than any TSR/WOTC offering, and that's not even touching on Wolves of God.

Despite Sturgeon's Law, OSR has plenty of non-crap content.

HappyDaze

#61
October 05, 2021, 06:51:36 AM
Quote from: Naburimannu on October 05, 2021, 05:13:32 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 04, 2021, 05:37:43 PM
Yeah, but if what I want to drink is a Coke and I can get a Coke, I'm not going settle for a Sam's Cola. I'm OK with getting the real thing rather than a cheap knock-off...

And look, this circles back to the whole point of the video that prompted this thread.

Where's the cheap knock-off?

I mean, ACKS does the domain game and economics and varied race-as-class options far better than any TSR/WOTC offering. ASSH isn't to my taste as a ruleset but it's a lot more tailored to its world than any TSR/WOTC offering. Sine Nomine games have integrated procedural generation and random tables at least as good as any TSR/WOTC offering, and they work better for me personally than any Judges' Guild I've tried; where he's written world-tailored rulesets (Red Tide / Crimson Pandect), again, it's more tailored to the world than any TSR/WOTC offering, and that's not even touching on Wolves of God.

Despite Sturgeon's Law, OSR has plenty of non-crap content.
Some people obviously like Sam's Cola. Good for them.

therealjcm

#62
October 05, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
wotc, with their little scolding message about how it doesn't reflect their values, have made it clear that they don't really want to sell you a copy of the rules cyclopedia. They will take your filthy money (only because the alternative is rampant piracy), and it's a solid enough product that I'm happy to give them my money for it. But that message makes it clear that they are *never* going to support or do anything new with those rules. You have to go to the OSR for expansions of those rules.

Ghostmaker

#63
October 05, 2021, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: therealjcm on October 05, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
wotc, with their little scolding message about how it doesn't reflect their values, have made it clear that they don't really want to sell you a copy of the rules cyclopedia. They will take your filthy money (only because the alternative is rampant piracy), and it's a solid enough product that I'm happy to give them my money for it. But that message makes it clear that they are *never* going to support or do anything new with those rules. You have to go to the OSR for expansions of those rules.
Which is pretty silly. But then, it's WotC.

Steven Mitchell

#64
October 05, 2021, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 05, 2021, 11:05:22 AM
Which is pretty silly. But then, it's WotC.

Little known fact:  In the original Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail pass, they did a shot where the knights stop at a mage's tower on the shoreline. It was cut because the director said it would make the film too over the top.  :P

HappyDaze

#65
October 05, 2021, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: therealjcm on October 05, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
But that message makes it clear that they are *never* going to support or do anything new with those rules..
You needed that message to figure out that they were no longer going to "support or do anything new" with a ruleset that twilighted in 1991? You kept your hope alive far longer than any reasonable person would have.

Besides, the point is that there is already plenty of support material out for it and there isn't much need to do anything new to make it work. Further, if you were truly "old school" you'd take what they offered and then go forward yourself rather than buying up the homebrews of other jackholes.

palaeomerus

#66
October 05, 2021, 05:32:20 PM Last Edit: October 05, 2021, 05:37:25 PM by palaeomerus
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on October 05, 2021, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 05, 2021, 11:05:22 AM
Which is pretty silly. But then, it's WotC.

Little known fact:  In the original Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail pass, they did a shot where the knights stop at a mage's tower on the shoreline. It was cut because the director said it would make the film too over the top.  :P

They could have done some hilarious stuff with the stylites.

" Ooh! It's one of those hermits what lives up on a stick and preaches to people! I didn't think there were many of you around anymore."

" Piss off....uh...in Christ my son. I meant piss off in Christ of course. Don't think I'm not blessing you or praying devoutly and humbly for your well being just because I can't stand you and your coconuts and want you all to leave as soon as possible!" (Throws a chunk of rock at them)

" There's nothing holier than a man who hates company and lives his whole life in prayerful meditation forty feet in the air exposed to the elements and covered in bird shit. That's real faith that is!"
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Aglondir

#67
October 05, 2021, 10:47:50 PM
This is very bizarre. Stay for the part at 5:17 where he makes a false equivalency between WOTC and the OSR, and the claim "the OSR will cancel you. The OSR will want to censor you."

BTW he's changed his screen name from CondorGM to "The OSR is a Scam."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tSjsONyXxY

GeekyBugle

#68
October 05, 2021, 10:51:00 PM Last Edit: October 05, 2021, 10:53:01 PM by GeekyBugle
Quote from: Aglondir on October 05, 2021, 10:47:50 PM
This is very bizarre. Stay for the part at 5:17 where he makes a false equivalency between WOTC and the OSR, and the claim "the OSR will cancel you. The OSR will want to censor you."

BTW he's changed his screen name from CondorGM to "The OSR is a Scam."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tSjsONyXxY

LOL, so if you don't drink his koolaid and dare to criticize his "points" you're censoring him?

This guy isn't playing with a full deck if you know what I mean.

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I have a feeling that ten OSR members are going to comment on this video asking me to provide evidence for my claim, or they will do whatever else they do to dismiss criticism. I have become immune to their BS.
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GeekyBugle

#69
October 05, 2021, 10:57:37 PM Last Edit: October 05, 2021, 11:00:28 PM by GeekyBugle
Who are the big names in the OSR? Because this lunatic claims the OSR is driving people to give them money by being against SJWs.

Okay, the truth comes out, he's angry with Pundit for speaking against those who inject politics in the hobby on his videos.

Somehow this makes him a scammer.

Wait, when has any OSR game been injected with right wing politics?
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Klytus

#70
October 05, 2021, 11:18:19 PM
He's taking a page from Pundit's book and saying inflammatory shit to drive clicks on his videos. YouTube doesn't give a shit about up or downvotes; it's all engagement to them and fuels their algorithm. Stop feeding the troll and watching his incoherent fucktardery.
Klytus, I'm bored. What plaything can you offer me today?

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Thorn Drumheller

#71
October 06, 2021, 11:22:06 AM
Quote from: kreegan on October 05, 2021, 11:18:19 PM
*****Stop feeding the troll and watching his incoherent fucktardery.

Agreed
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Omega

#72
October 06, 2021, 04:06:28 PM
Oh the OSR's not a scam. Its an excuse to steal games under the pretext of "reviving the old ways" when the old ways were doing just fine.

GeekyBugle

#73
October 06, 2021, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: Omega on October 06, 2021, 04:06:28 PM
Oh the OSR's not a scam. Its an excuse to steal games under the pretext of "reviving the old ways" when the old ways were doing just fine.

How can you steal that which was put under an open license?

Edited to add: By your logic we have lots of stealing in the Linux ecosystem.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

GeekyBugle

#74
October 22, 2021, 02:36:48 PM
"You can totally release your game for free and the fans will still give you money!"

Welp, looks like the experiment has already been done... Spoliers: It didn't work.

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/degenesisrebirth-rpg-has-ended/new/#new
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell
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