Quote from: Shasarak on October 04, 2021, 05:41:51 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 04, 2021, 05:37:43 PM
Yeah, but if what I want to drink is a Coke and I can get a Coke, I'm not going settle for a Sam's Cola. I'm OK with getting the real thing rather than a cheap knock-off...

The problem is that if I want to play 2e then I dont just need the official 2e books, I also need to get my extensive house rules folder that I used to cudgel the 2e rules into submission.

Or you could just ignore the player's and DM's option books.

Quote from: Pat on October 04, 2021, 06:22:24 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 04, 2021, 05:41:51 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 04, 2021, 05:37:43 PM
Yeah, but if what I want to drink is a Coke and I can get a Coke, I'm not going settle for a Sam's Cola. I'm OK with getting the real thing rather than a cheap knock-off...

The problem is that if I want to play 2e then I dont just need the official 2e books, I also need to get my extensive house rules folder that I used to cudgel the 2e rules into submission.

Or you could just ignore the player's and DM's option books.

I read that as the folder contained house rules to fix the core books.

Quote from: Pat on October 04, 2021, 06:22:24 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 04, 2021, 05:41:51 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 04, 2021, 05:37:43 PM
Yeah, but if what I want to drink is a Coke and I can get a Coke, I'm not going settle for a Sam's Cola. I'm OK with getting the real thing rather than a cheap knock-off...

The problem is that if I want to play 2e then I dont just need the official 2e books, I also need to get my extensive house rules folder that I used to cudgel the 2e rules into submission.

Or you could just ignore the player's and DM's option books.

How does ignoring the Players and DM option books help to fix the official 2e books? 

Quote from: estar on October 04, 2021, 01:18:15 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:23:15 PM
Saw a video claiming the #OSR is a scam. Allow me to disagree.

I saw a video where GeekyBugle flew down to Uruguay to play and film a session of Blue Rose with the RPGPundit and it turns out they both loved it as written.

You and HappyDerp don't understand not wanting to put the individual on blast right? It's okay, I'm an aspie and many times can't read social cues either.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 04, 2021, 06:39:19 PM
It's okay, I'm an aspie and many times can't read social cues either.

Oh, you're not a native English speaker. Here, let me help you. I'm sure you meant to say you're "an asshole" rather than "an aspie," right?

Quote from: hedgehobbit on October 04, 2021, 01:28:32 PM

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on October 04, 2021, 12:57:29 PM
So I googled it. Listened to the two videos. Honestly, his argument doesn't really have any validity.

I listened to the video and, while his argument wasn't the best, his main point was sound. If you want to play an old-school game then just play an old-school game. You don't need any luminaries to try to tell you what counts as an "old-school" game. And while people might like clones, the OSR isn't actually needed for clones to exists as you can plainly see by all the clones of non-OSR games.

GeekyBugle completely mischaracterized the video's main point.

Did I?

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CondorDM
hace 1 día (editado)
I do see it as a scam now and I think I nailed it here.
Regardless if it did something good in the past, it remains only as a method to make money. The OSR is not well defined, even if 50% of the OSR accepts one definition, there is too much of a fracture among-st people in the OSR to decide what OSR stands for. The OSR has become a negative thorn in our sides that does nothing good in current year.

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CondorDM
hace 2 horas
@Jaeger  The OSR in 2021 is not pushing what we do forward, it is platform, a place to bring customers to make money off of them.
You can be fine with that, but that is what it is

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 04, 2021, 07:05:15 PM

Quote from: hedgehobbit on October 04, 2021, 01:28:32 PM

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on October 04, 2021, 12:57:29 PM
So I googled it. Listened to the two videos. Honestly, his argument doesn't really have any validity.

I listened to the video and, while his argument wasn't the best, his main point was sound. If you want to play an old-school game then just play an old-school game. You don't need any luminaries to try to tell you what counts as an "old-school" game. And while people might like clones, the OSR isn't actually needed for clones to exists as you can plainly see by all the clones of non-OSR games.

GeekyBugle completely mischaracterized the video's main point.

Did I?

IMHO, you did not.

I find his venue choice a bit curious - he has an active account here. He has started posts containing YT links to his channel!

But for this one he makes us go to His YT Channel comments...

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CondorDM
hace 1 día (editado)
I do see it as a scam now and I think I nailed it here.
Regardless if it did something good in the past, it remains only as a method to make money. The OSR is not well defined, even if 50% of the OSR accepts one definition, there is too much of a fracture among-st people in the OSR to decide what OSR stands for. The OSR has become a negative thorn in our sides that does nothing good in current year.

I don't know what he is driving at here...

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CondorDM
hace 2 horas
@Jaeger  The OSR in 2021 is not pushing what we do forward, it is platform, a place to bring customers to make money off of them.
You can be fine with that, but that is what it is

He flat-out refused to clarify this.

I get this weird impression that unless you are the IP holder of one of the first games to introduce a particular mechanic or resolution system then any clone or OGL based game is a scam by the standard he seems to be holding to.

Nor does he address the fact that some people may not want to give WotC money. Or that the 2nd hand B/X AD&D1-2 in anything resembling good condition are increasingly expensive, and the clones do the same thing cheaper.

He also had no real response to Ocules point that the OSR has two branches: Straight up Clones. And the offshoots that innovate in play mechanics and genre. Which is the scam? Both?

IMHO he has an awful tough sell on this one.

Quote from: Jaeger on October 04, 2021, 07:33:41 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 04, 2021, 07:05:15 PM

Quote from: hedgehobbit on October 04, 2021, 01:28:32 PM

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on October 04, 2021, 12:57:29 PM
So I googled it. Listened to the two videos. Honestly, his argument doesn't really have any validity.

I listened to the video and, while his argument wasn't the best, his main point was sound. If you want to play an old-school game then just play an old-school game. You don't need any luminaries to try to tell you what counts as an "old-school" game. And while people might like clones, the OSR isn't actually needed for clones to exists as you can plainly see by all the clones of non-OSR games.

GeekyBugle completely mischaracterized the video's main point.

Did I?

IMHO, you did not.

I find his venue choice a bit curious - he has an active account here. He has started posts containing YT links to his channel!

But for this one he makes us go to His YT Channel comments...

Quote
CondorDM
hace 1 día (editado)
I do see it as a scam now and I think I nailed it here.
Regardless if it did something good in the past, it remains only as a method to make money. The OSR is not well defined, even if 50% of the OSR accepts one definition, there is too much of a fracture among-st people in the OSR to decide what OSR stands for. The OSR has become a negative thorn in our sides that does nothing good in current year.

I don't know what he is driving at here...

Quote
CondorDM
hace 2 horas
@Jaeger  The OSR in 2021 is not pushing what we do forward, it is platform, a place to bring customers to make money off of them.
You can be fine with that, but that is what it is

He flat-out refused to clarify this.

I get this weird impression that unless you are the IP holder of one of the first games to introduce a particular mechanic or resolution system then any clone or OGL based game is a scam by the standard he seems to be holding to.

Nor does he address the fact that some people may not want to give WotC money. Or that the 2nd hand B/X AD&D1-2 in anything resembling good condition are increasingly expensive, and the clones do the same thing cheaper.

He also had no real response to Ocules point that the OSR has two branches: Straight up Clones. And the offshoots that innovate in play mechanics and genre. Which is the scam? Both?

IMHO he has an awful tough sell on this one.

IMHO it's clickbait.

But it could also be pennis envy, as in he wishes to be the one "scaming" people with some OSR product.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 04, 2021, 06:39:19 PM
You and HappyDerp don't understand not wanting to put the individual on blast right? It's okay, I'm an aspie and many times can't read social cues either.

He posted on youtube, the equivalent of going downtown and shouting to all comers except his potential reach is international. If he wanted privacy that was not the way to accomplish that*.

In addition you made a post on a discussion forum presumably to discuss what this person said. Without posting the source the discussion is hamstrung. Also since this is the internet it was only matter a time before one of us found the video. So the exercise comes off rude and worse yet pointless.

*Incidentally I am well aware what I am doing here and other places like my blog is the equivalent of going downtown and posting my written thoughts on every telephone for all to read. Thus I act accordingly with that in mind.

Quote from: estar on October 04, 2021, 07:55:13 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 04, 2021, 06:39:19 PM
You and HappyDerp don't understand not wanting to put the individual on blast right? It's okay, I'm an aspie and many times can't read social cues either.

He posted on youtube, the equivalent of going downtown and shouting to all comers except his potential reach is international. If he wanted privacy that was not the way to accomplish that*.

In addition you made a post on a discussion forum presumably to discuss what this person said. Without posting the source the discussion is hamstrung. Also since this is the internet it was only matter a time before one of us found the video. So the exercise comes off rude and worse yet pointless.

*Incidentally I am well aware what I am doing here and other places like my blog is the equivalent of going downtown and posting my written thoughts on every telephone for all to read. Thus I act accordingly with that in mind.

Yeah, and if said someone went and decided to tell off or make something like threatening the guy it would be all on him because I didn't provide the link.

Like you said, searching the video wasn't hard, so if you feel you need to do it go do it.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 04, 2021, 07:59:37 PM
Yeah, and if said someone went and decided to tell off or make something like threatening the guy it would be all on him because I didn't provide the link.

If you think threats were a real possibility here then starting a discussion thread was ethically wrong.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 04, 2021, 07:59:37 PM
Like you said, searching the video wasn't hard, so if you feel you need to do it go do it.

Actually it wasn't that easy. I didn't find it despite my skill at Google search and looking. There will too many non-RPG hits on youtube and google. Of course once I followed the link posted here now it pops up immediately on both google and youtube.

Quote from: estar on October 04, 2021, 08:14:28 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 04, 2021, 07:59:37 PM
Yeah, and if said someone went and decided to tell off or make something like threatening the guy it would be all on him because I didn't provide the link.

If you think threats were a real possibility here then starting a discussion thread was ethically wrong.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 04, 2021, 07:59:37 PM
Like you said, searching the video wasn't hard, so if you feel you need to do it go do it.

Actually it wasn't that easy. I didn't find it despite my skill at Google search and looking. There will too many non-RPG hits on youtube and google. Of course once I followed the link posted here now it pops up immediately on both google and youtube.

Right starting a discusion withot naming the individual is ethically wrong.

I'm not saying threats are a real possibility, I'm just saying if YOU went and called him names it's 100% on you because YOU had to go looking.

Keep trying, it's entertaining so far.

Greetings!

I think many people in the RPG hobby are jealous that some members of the hobby--in this case, members also of the OSR community--are reasonably successful writers and game designers and in addition to having fun pursuing their creative passions, have contributed commercially to the OSR hobby community, and manage to make some profit while doing so.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on October 04, 2021, 11:19:46 PM
Greetings!

I think many people in the RPG hobby are jealous that some members of the hobby--in this case, members also of the OSR community--are reasonably successful writers and game designers and in addition to having fun pursuing their creative passions, have contributed commercially to the OSR hobby community, and manage to make some profit while doing so.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

It does sound like he's a little jealous of those hwho manage to make a living writing RPGs, because those RPGs aren't D&D...

Seems crazy to me.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 07:23:15 PM
Saw a video claiming the #OSR is a scam. Allow me to disagree.

CondorDM does makes some points. But calling OSR a scam?

I'd call it a religion. Ha!