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Author Topic: No, the OSR isn't a scam  (Read 6935 times)

Shasarak

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2021, 08:41:57 PM »
RPG Product critiques:

SJW Gamer:"This is an evil racist scam ripping WotC and official D&D off.

I love it when SJWs forget about the OGL because it happened more then 7 years ago.
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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2021, 09:28:57 PM »
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You forgot the bit where the sjw rips up the fence and shoves it up the ass of the fence sitter board by board.

I'd quibble and say it'll be more like:


Smart-Boy fence-sitter: "You know, both sides make good points, and I really think that the only way to move past this silly ideological divide is for both sides to start actually talking to each other!"


SJW Gamer: "Hold on, you said a Nazis made good points!?"

*contacts twitter outrage mob*

"Hey, we got ourselves a bona-fide Nazi lover over here!"
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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2021, 09:31:17 PM »
Maybe its just my own ignorance but I always thought that OSR meant different things to different people and was quite a loose concept.
So to pro-WotC crowd, OSR represents a threat, to others a beacon of hope or a way to make some cash etc.

To me at least OSR is just something loosely based on earlier versions of D&D that uses the OGL.
The new Into the Odd Remaster on KS fits my standard for OSR, but also feels like a scam to me in that its asking for 28 quid for sauced up public domain art with lots of empty white space claimed as "better layout." To others it might not be a scam or even OSR, maybe best product ever, award winner, quality remake or whatever else.

My point is I can see things from OP's point of view of fending off the WotC loyalists, but also can see some questionable practices inside the umbrella of OSR. Of course these are done by individuals and not "the OSR" as a whole, which means you can always vote with your wallet if it doesn't contain sufficient value for you as the buyer for the price. For me the specific line after which things become "scammy" is when major focus is placed on exorbitantly lavish editions, alt-covers, reprints, branding, hype and fomo-driven KS marketing. However, if its about OSR getting dogpiled for being an alternative to WotC then OSR over Hasbro any day.

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2021, 10:04:36 PM »
And this is why I didn't link the video or mentioned the name of the individual.

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2021, 10:29:35 PM »
I saw it too. I was hoping it was clickbait, but cringe was posted.

The reason I got excited about various OSR books is because they're advertised as a distillation of the original rules, with better editing and layout, and maybe some widely adopted house rules. To me (especially as someone new to the hobby), that's a much more appealing product than half-assed reprints from WotC.

Pretty much only thing that would make it a scam is if I bought an OSR book (in my case, FMAG) but got a reprint from scans of the original rules.

The thesis of the video is "The OSR is selling you the opportunity to get into old school D&D, but you can buy new copies of the original rules now, so it's a scam."

Except everyone who buys the 1:1 retroclones knows exactly what they're buying, and they want the OSR version in spite of the originals being available.

And the ones that aren't strictly retroclones aren't selling "old school D&D", they're usually selling "a game that feels like old school D&D, the way me and my friends play it".

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2021, 10:31:53 PM »
Cowardly talking smack!

Come here and say that, internet tough guy.
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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2021, 10:32:09 PM »
And this is why I didn't link the video or mentioned the name of the individual.
Because the guy from the video was going to call you cowardly? Yeah...

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2021, 10:55:39 PM »
And this is why I didn't link the video or mentioned the name of the individual.
Because the guy from the video was going to call you cowardly? Yeah...

Yes HappyDerp that's it, you're getting to the point where I put you in ignore because you're dishonest and a troll.

Edit: It couldn't be because I wanted to talk about his "arguments" and not put him on blast, or send anyone to tell him off... no, it must be because I'm affraid of him saying words on the internet....
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Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

― George Orwell

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2021, 11:08:15 PM »
And this is why I didn't link the video or mentioned the name of the individual.
Because the guy from the video was going to call you cowardly? Yeah...

Yes HappyDerp that's it, you're getting to the point where I put you in ignore because you're dishonest and a troll.

I don't advocate the "ignore" feature, nor do I advocate banning disruptors or disingenuous posters.  However, they crave attention, and the best way to de-fang them is to simply not respond unless they make a relevant, good-faith response.  In HD's case, he hardly ever contributes anything of value to the discussion, so just let him babble to himself.  It's like training a dog.  Only reward him when he does something productive.  Granted, working with a dog is easier, since they tend to be more intelligent than HappyDerp...

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2021, 11:09:28 PM »
And this is why I didn't link the video or mentioned the name of the individual.
Because the guy from the video was going to call you cowardly? Yeah...

Yes HappyDerp that's it, you're getting to the point where I put you in ignore because you're dishonest and a troll.

Edit: It couldn't be because I wanted to talk about his "arguments" and not put him on blast, or send anyone to tell him off... no, it must be because I'm affraid of him saying words on the internet....
Must be. It's sad that you live in fear.

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2021, 11:12:16 PM »
And this is why I didn't link the video or mentioned the name of the individual.
Because the guy from the video was going to call you cowardly? Yeah...

Yes HappyDerp that's it, you're getting to the point where I put you in ignore because you're dishonest and a troll.

I don't advocate the "ignore" feature, nor do I advocate banning disruptors or disingenuous posters.  However, they crave attention, and the best way to de-fang them is to simply not respond unless they make a relevant, good-faith response.  In HD's case, he hardly ever contributes anything of value to the discussion, so just let him babble to himself.  It's like training a dog.  Only reward him when he does something productive.  Granted, working with a dog is easier, since they tend to be more intelligent than HappyDerp...
Oh, come on now, you don't really think I give two shits about whether you respond or not, do you? My enjoyment is certainly not dependent up you replying to me directly.

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2021, 11:13:57 PM »
And this is why I didn't link the video or mentioned the name of the individual.
Because the guy from the video was going to call you cowardly? Yeah...

Yes HappyDerp that's it, you're getting to the point where I put you in ignore because you're dishonest and a troll.

I don't advocate the "ignore" feature, nor do I advocate banning disruptors or disingenuous posters.  However, they crave attention, and the best way to de-fang them is to simply not respond unless they make a relevant, good-faith response.  In HD's case, he hardly ever contributes anything of value to the discussion, so just let him babble to himself.  It's like training a dog.  Only reward him when he does something productive.  Granted, working with a dog is easier, since they tend to be more intelligent than HappyDerp...

I don't advocate for banning people (with rare exceptions) but the ignore feature I do think it's a goot tool. I would wish for one where I didn't have to see he answers to me.
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

― George Orwell

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2021, 11:29:07 PM »
Edit: It couldn't be because I wanted to talk about his "arguments" and not put him on blast, or send anyone to tell him off... no, it must be because I'm affraid of him saying words on the internet....

I called CondorDM a little bitch all because I asked him a simple question which he gave me attitude.  After showing how he wants to be treated CondorDM then deleted my post proving me right.  Its in the comments of his second video. 

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2021, 11:42:26 PM »
Edit: It couldn't be because I wanted to talk about his "arguments" and not put him on blast, or send anyone to tell him off... no, it must be because I'm affraid of him saying words on the internet....

I called CondorDM a little bitch all because I asked him a simple question which he gave me attitude.  After showing how he wants to be treated CondorDM then deleted my post proving me right.  Its in the comments of his second video.

He deleted his answers to me, mustn't be too sure of his position.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

― George Orwell

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Re: No, the OSR isn't a scam
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2021, 11:45:51 PM »
Edit: It couldn't be because I wanted to talk about his "arguments" and not put him on blast, or send anyone to tell him off... no, it must be because I'm affraid of him saying words on the internet....

I called CondorDM a little bitch all because I asked him a simple question which he gave me attitude.  After showing how he wants to be treated CondorDM then deleted my post proving me right.  Its in the comments of his second video.
He gives attitude and you, naturally, respond by calling him a "little bitch" because? And then, gasp, he deletes your post "proving you right"(?). Where do you find these odd rules you live by?