Yes, well, being able to say you now have the same draconian web-policies as the most batshit game designer in the history of the hobby USED to have, without having any of his talent, is not exactly a laudable situation to find one's self in.

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The thing is that Palladium has always struggled along. If just one doofus or nasty person can almost wreck your company, it's on the edge already.

Are the harsh IP policies part of the reason for things being on the edge? I don't claim to know. But I don't see how they'd help.

Companies and people seem to do best when they're more interested in producing new stuff than protecting old stuff.

Quote from: One Horse Town;318909Don't make me laugh, guys. Irrelevant? You wish.

They are discussed on this board more by the very people who profess to dislike the new edition of d&d than those who do like it.

You know, this time, I really meant it.

I am so fucking tired of D&D at this point, I just don't want to have anything to do with it.  I'm starting to miss the old days on RPGnet, when everyone seemed as if they were blissfully unaware of D&D at all except perhaps as some old game no one played anymore.  Fantasy land though it may've been, at least there was a little more variety in that world in those days, before the dark times, before Exalted and 4e.  

I'm tired of playing it, I'm tired of hearing about it, tired of the edition wars, the 4e zealots, the pretentious OSR wonks, of 3e groups full of fucking retards who don't even understand the game they're playing, the 3e "players" online who spend more time minmaxing than actually playing the characters they make, the constant slagging off of Pathfinder every time it comes up, the stupid forum refugees from this or that forum that didn't approve of their particular brand of D&D thought, the armchair stock analysts picking apart every little move they make, and overall the constant and unending stream of completely unimaginative slop that dribbles from the mouths of people who don't even seem to be aware half the time that there are indeed other RPGs out here, other ways to play besides "Enter dungeon, kill orc, take loot" over and fucking over again.

I'm seriously tired of it.  I meant what I said:  Can we finally go back to the way it was in the 90s when no one fucking gave a shit?  When you could talk about RPGs without it devolving into nothing but D&D and how certain people like to run it this way and that's the only way ever to run it and all else is folly.  When there were no "TSR fanboys" because even the people who played D&D hated their guts for the way they treated their fans?  When the old edition grognards kept to their little groups offline and didn't see fit to invade every forum to natter on about how everything in modern game design is rubbish and we're all fucking cocks for liking it?  

I want to once again look out into my internets and see the infinite variety of countless creative people creating all manner of strange new worlds and fun new system toys to play with.  I'm sick of this whole "D&D is the hobby" nonsense, it wasn't true when I got started, there's no reason I see why it has to be true now, unless you really just need a bunch of big numbers to make your penis feel large when you play a game.

That's the "Old School Renaissance" I'd like to see.  Real creativity, real variety, real intellectual curiosity, real adventuring spirit, not just "Hey, let's play/talk/bitch about D&D, AGAIN."

Hey, I wrote GAMERS so I'm trying.

I even wrote up a systemless modern espionage adventure for David R, an adventure you'd have a hard time succeeding with if you wouldn't take an "old school" approach where player smarts were more important than character skills.

Over at Citadel of Chaos Stormy is trying to make the old school thing about more than just D&D.

People are trying, you know. You just have to go looking.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;319061Hey, I wrote GAMERS so I'm trying.

I even wrote up a systemless modern espionage adventure for David R, an adventure you'd have a hard time succeeding with if you wouldn't take an "old school" approach where player smarts were more important than character skills.

Over at Citadel of Chaos Stormy is trying to make the old school thing about more than just D&D.

People are trying, you know. You just have to go looking.

I'm really hoping this D6 thing takes off.  I know a lot of people are gunshy about it because of Eric's flakiness, but I'd love to see an explosion of fun bending of that system.  Honestly one of the reasons I've been considering going D6 for the my project is just to have the opportunity to help kickstart the whole thing.  

But I'm also finding myself torn, because while I love D6 a lot, I've already got half a system basically sitting there on the design blog, with really only combat, monsters, and "dark corruption" to add to it before it's ready to go playtest.  

Either way, with my health the way it's been, I'm starting to feel a lot like I need to get this out of me once and for all and into the world for all to share, before I may not have the opportunity anymore.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;319061Over at Citadel of Chaos Stormy is trying to make the old school thing about more than just D&D.

People are trying, you know. You just have to go looking.

Ah, but J Arcane isn't interested in actually looking for the discussions he's pining over; he just wants everyone here to change or leave so that no-one disagrees with his pronouncements.

Keep it up, folks.  Before long he"ll fuck off to another forum, where, to the ironic entertainment of all, some self-righteous whiner will tell him to stop wrecking the pristine boards they've been oozing all over since before it got popular.

Go ahead, write and publish - whatever your health. Get your stuff out there so people can enjoy it and tear it apart viciously - and yes it'll be the same people doing both, that's gamers for you

Quote from: Benoist;319015Big shot wargamers laughed at Gygax and Arneson for coming up with that weird game they put together in the basement, you know. That doesn't make D&D any less of a revolution in hindsight.

The notion somehow that all fan sites everywhere suck and present no content of interest whatsoever that nobody, ever, would want to protect, strikes me as very shortsighted, honestly. You never know what might happen, especially when the stuff on your fansite is experimental.

As for protecting the IP you produce on your own, any individual has this right, no matter how much the particular materials may suck or not according to me, you or anybody else. Quality of the IP is not relevant to the law. What matters is whether the person wants to defend this IP or surrender it to another entity.

You're just coming off as Mister Cynic to me here, Mistwell. But hey, believe what you will.

So you think the entire fansite package was created as a ruse on the off chance WOTC wants to steal the next D&D? Really, you honestly think that is what they are thinking? Because that is the claim I am responding to.  Not that some fansite content is good - but that this package is all created with the secret agenda of stealing fansite content.

Hey, I am happy to talk about Monsters and Other Childish Things, or Mouse Guard.  Both are great RPGs that I don't get to talk about often enough.

If you want to talk mouse guard, Burning Wheel HQ has several ongoing discussions.

Quote from: J Arcane;319059You know, this time, I really meant it.

I am so fucking tired of D&D at this point, I just don't want to have anything to do with it.  I'm starting to miss the old days on RPGnet, when everyone seemed as if they were blissfully unaware of D&D at all except perhaps as some old game no one played anymore.  Fantasy land though it may've been, at least there was a little more variety in that world in those days, before the dark times, before Exalted and 4e.

This will be the Captain Obvious post, but you can discuss any game you want to here, on TheRPGHaven, RPGNet (unless you are banned there), Story Games, The Citadel of Chaos or wherever. You can also stay out of D&D-related threads - I don't go into Exalted threads because Exalted doesn't interest me in the slightest, so no annoyance. It is so easy anybody can do it.

He's not demanding to be part of interesting discussions, he's demanding that others start them so he can be entertained by them.

The strident demand for passive entertainment is not an unusual one in the West today. "Get off your lazy arse and do it yourself!" is the most right and proper response, but also misses the point - they just want to be passively entertained.

We get the same thing in the threads about how roleplaying is dying. People get all sooky and snarky when you said, "so, invite some non-gamers to your group."
"No, you don't understand. Someone should do something!"
"Someone else, you mean?"
"Waaaahh! You don't understand my suffering! I must have everything I want without any effort!"

It's infantile, but what can you do.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;319126The strident demand for passive entertainment is not an unusual one in the West today. "Get off your lazy arse and do it yourself!" is the most right and proper response, but also misses the point - they just want to be passively entertained.

Yup. On the other hand, this is our best and brightest hope for traditional tabletop roleplaying games: they are and will remain a good outlet for people looking for a social creative hobby. In my estimation, the people who consume RPGs overwhelmingly passively will be lost to the hobby in one decade to superior forms of passive fun, and there is nothing that can or should be done against that.

Complaining and bitching is the #2 popular pastime in this society.  

Quote from: J Arcane;319059That's the "Old School Renaissance" I'd like to see.  Real creativity, real variety, real intellectual curiosity, real adventuring spirit, not just "Hey, let's play/talk/bitch about D&D, AGAIN."

Dream on, you crazy dreamer.

Or, that was one serious "back in my day" post.

Or, so the internet should be what you want it to be?

Or, what does that have to do with D&D being "irrelevant"?

However you choose to respond, it was quite a post.