Quote from: Doc Sammy;1125852Those games all fucking suck and are worse than WoD

You never read any of the games I mentioned. None of them are perfect, but each one has its own innovations. I can give you a rundown if you cannot go to the effort of reading them yourself.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1125852Besides, I don't give WW my money

You have to in order to read their books, barring pirating. I do not condone nor support pirating.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1125852You're just trying to complain about a game you don't like.

Look in the mirror. Anyway, I'm complaining about entirely legitimate problems like rules, setting, and monopolies. You have arbitrarily dismissed every other urban fantasy game because you are indoctrinated to think WoD is the best thing since sliced bread.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1125867You never read any of the games I mentioned. None of them are perfect, but each one has its own innovations. I can give you a rundown if you cannot go to the effort of reading them yourself.

You have to in order to read their books, barring pirating. I do not condone nor support pirating.

Look in the mirror. Anyway, I'm complaining about entirely legitimate problems like rules, setting, and monopolies. You have arbitrarily dismissed every other urban fantasy game because you are indoctrinated to think WoD is the best thing since sliced bread.

1. I know of Nightlife and have read Monsterhearts. I'm indifferent to the former and I outright actively detest the latter.

2. I have no objections to piracy in and of itself, especially for a company as broken and corrupt as White Wolf. Morality is bullshit.

The only reason I even obey the Eighth Commandment is because I wish to avoid incarceration. It's a simple case of cost-benefits analysis.

That being said, there's also ways to avoid giving WW money that don't involve piracy or playing "Some Other Game" garbage like Monsterhearts. You can buy old secondhand copies like I have done.

I've never involved myself in piracy, just so we're clear. I mostly buy old secondhand books from companies I don't like, but have made good products.

3. I'm not conditioned by White Wolf or Onyx Path and if they are trying to condition me, it's obvious they have failed miserably seeing as I'm actively waging war against their punk and goth fanbase and I'm willing to resort to cultural war crimes and brutal political sadism to do so.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;11258751. I know of Nightlife and have read Monsterhearts. I'm indifferent to the former and I outright actively detest the latter.

2. I have no objections to piracy in and of itself, especially for a company as broken and corrupt as White Wolf. Morality is bullshit. The only reason I even obey the Eighth Commandment is because I wish to avoid incarceration. It's a simple case of cost-benefits analysis.

That being said, there's also ways to avoid giving WW money that don't involve piracy or playing "Some Other Game" garbage like Monsterhearts. You can buy old secondhand copies like I have done.

3. I'm not conditioned by White Wolf or Onyx Path and if they are trying to condition me, it's obvious they have failed miserably seeing as I'm actively waging war against their punk and goth fanbase and I'm willing to resort to cultural war crimes and brutal political sadism to do so.

((((Trailer Voice))))

IN A WORLD...
WHERE MORALITY DOESN'T EXIST... ONE MAN WILL WAGE CULTURAL WAR AGAINST THE VAMPIRE ROLEPLAYING GAME
BY COMMITTING
BRUTAL
ACTS
OF
VIOLENT ANIME ANTI-PUNK POLITICAL SADISM

PS: SUPER-HEROES SUUUUUUUCK!!

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1125875I'm not conditioned by White Wolf or Onyx Path and if they are trying to condition me, it's obvious they have failed miserably seeing as I'm actively waging war against their punk and goth fanbase and I'm willing to resort to cultural war crimes and brutal political sadism to do so.

I've looked at a few of those titles as well and agree they're garbage (and more than a few are garbage storygames at that). In fact, I feel safe in disregarding everything BoxCrayon says about anything.

As someone who hopes to sell my product someday, I do look poorly on outright theft, but buying secondhand books is something I heartily condone.

As to messing with assumptions, my long-running Mage campaign (c. 25 years now) has a very simple one; the Great Wheel has turned and the time of descent is over. The time of hopelessness is ended. The world is still crap, but the light at the end of tunnel isn't a train waiting to crush you. You can make the world better in a lasting way. You can earn your happy ending.

It's hard to hold onto the punk ethos when those who actually care about things see their efforts rewarded while the nihilistic impulses invariably fail.

Quote from: RF Victor;1125877((((Trailer Voice))))

IN A WORLD...
WHERE MORALITY DOESN'T EXIST... ONE MAN WILL WAGE CULTURAL WAR AGAINST THE VAMPIRE ROLEPLAYING GAME
BY COMMITTING
BRUTAL
ACTS
OF
VIOLENT ANIME ANTI-PUNK POLITICAL SADISM

PS: SUPER-HEROES SUUUUUUUCK!!

Sarcasm and snark are the lowest forms of wit, you pretentious pseudo-intellectual hipster faggot.

Quote from: Chris24601;1125879I've looked at a few of those titles as well and agree they're garbage (and more than a few are garbage storygames at that). In fact, I feel safe in disregarding everything BoxCrayon says about anything.

As someone who hopes to sell my product someday, I do look poorly on outright theft, but buying secondhand books is something I heartily condone.

As to messing with assumptions, my long-running Mage campaign (c. 25 years now) has a very simple one; the Great Wheel has turned and the time of descent is over. The time of hopelessness is ended. The world is still crap, but the light at the end of tunnel isn't a train waiting to crush you. You can make the world better in a lasting way. You can earn your happy ending.

It's hard to hold onto the punk ethos when those who actually care about things see their efforts rewarded while the nihilistic impulses invariably fail.

This guy gets it

This feels like the dumbest conflict ever:

Should I play the product you hate to spite the people that made it or should you dump the product you hate to stop support for the people that made it.

This isn't punk, sadist, goth or whatever is cool or fake now. This shit be retarded. If there is one thing dumber then arguing over the quality of an RPG its arguing about arguing over the quality of an RPG.

Edit: Also doc sammy your one of the most tryhard people I have witnessed in a long while.

Notin personel kid. But in this battle of the dumbos you are doing the dumber option even without your own suspect higharchy.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1125881This feels like the dumbest conflict ever:

Should I play the product you hate to spite the people that made it or should you dump the product you hate to stop support for the people that made it.

This isn't punk, sadist, goth or whatever is cool or fake now. This shit be retarded. If there is one thing dumber then arguing over the quality of an RPG its arguing about arguing over the quality of an RPG.

Edit: Also doc sammy your one of the most tryhard people I have witnessed in a long while.

Notin personel kid. But in this battle of the dumbos you are doing the dumber option even without your own suspect higharchy.

I don't give a fuck what some pretentious anti-weeb retarded pseudo-intellectual thinks of anything.

There's a reason why I adopted this "tryhard" ethos and persona...

You don't win a war by acting like some snooty Joss Whedon character who's "above it all" because you fell for the edge, you pathetic retard.

And the war isn't necessarily against White Wolf, Onyx Path, the punks, or the goths. That is but one minor front and a lot of this is obfuscation, illusions of insanity, and deception on all sides.

There's a war within a war going on, one with far greater stakes than some dumb RPG.

This site is being used as a numbers station, and I'm worried we may be compromised.

We're at the tip of the iceberg and I'm scared.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;11258751. I know of Nightlife and have read Monsterhearts. I'm indifferent to the former and I outright actively detest the latter.

You previously said that you thought all the games were crap and inferior to WoD. Now you admit that you only read two, and you are indifferent to one. That's not helpful.

Would you like to read the other games yourself, or would you like me to give you some pointers?

Quote from: Chris24601;1125879I've looked at a few of those titles as well and agree they're garbage

Care to elaborate?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1125887You previously said that you thought all the games were crap and inferior to WoD. Now you admit that you only read two, and you are indifferent to one. That's not helpful.

Would you like to read the other games yourself, or would you like me to give you some pointers?

Care to elaborate?

You still think this is just about finding an alternative to World of Darkness, don't you?

On the gaming side of things, I'm content with running a Rule Zero'd World of Darkness game because I don't view Onyx Path/White Wolf as this Illuminati-esque gaming conspiracy.

They were a company that was good in the 90's, has been terrible for the longest time since then, and have a shitty fanbase. World of Darkness isn't much different than Sonic on that end.

But on the culture side of things, World of Darkness and this whole decade-long "vendetta" against White Wolf and Onyx Path is a front and is merely part of a long-term multi-year strategy in something completely unrelated to it and is part of something far greater than I or anyone else here can possibly know the full extent of...

I'm just a common nobody in all this. But I can assure you that I am on Pundit's side, and Pundit himself is on the side of goodness and justice, and he is truly valued.

Just so we are clear, I do not claim to speak for Pundit.

Only Pundit speaks for Pundit.

It's my duty to help him, even if it means giving up acting like an edgy maniac online.

But I can cease doing so and I will be doing just that very soon. There has been a change in operations. I need to correct my course.

Trust me in this. The edgy insanity will end permanently, I must keep to the rules of the site.

No more edge. No more madness.

I'm bowing out of this thread.

This thread has entered retardo territory.

OP, I suggest you take your question to more rational and less passionate waters. I recommend the RPGPub or RPGnet myself.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1125884I don't give a fuck what some pretentious anti-weeb retarded pseudo-intellectual thinks of anything.

I highly doubt it. You project a curated persona that you find it very important for others to know about the same way a SJW finds important that other people know their a demi-queer panafrican sexual.
Its true that there is a culture war going on, Im just saying your actions within it are impotent at best and counterproductory at worst.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1125935I highly doubt it. You project a curated persona that you find it very important for others to know about the same way a SJW finds important that other people know their a demi-queer panafrican sexual.
Its true that there is a culture war going on, Im just saying your actions within it are impotent at best and counterproductory at worst.

I know I would bow out and I will, but I do believe this particular thing needs to be addressed.

Trust me, there's a lot more going on with me and my behaviors than you think. Been very stressed out.

These actions may seem impotent and counter-productive, but that's the idea. Some of my more extreme posts and statements, especially in the past few months, are intentional false flags or meaningless angry venting and blustering.

And before you give the canned "Lol I was pretending to be retarded" meme response, it's not like that. I'm not trying to get attention in that sense.

Instead, I'm trying to deceive others into thinking I'm impotent, useless, and counterproductive and throw them off while also blowing off some steam. Mostly the latter.

I know I shouldn't discuss this so openly, but there's now going to be a change in my operations and tactics and I'll leave it at that for now.

I've become scared, angry, and paranoid because of the ongoing real-life pandemic, to be quite honest. I best just drop this, calm down, and let shit go.

To put things in a more sane and concise way, I've been undergoing a breakdown because I'm scared to death of this corona virus, especially since my mom is a nurse who works for the state and is therefore more likely to get exposed to it.

I've been going really off the deep end and delving into this sadistic edgelord persona partly as a way to vent and partly as a way to hide my fears and paranoia.

Pathetic, I know. But at least these fears are grounded in reality.

It is kind of a little late to be worried about the Corona Virus when people should have been truly worried about it a month ago. I have family members losing their minds like Doc Sammy who had made fun of me thinking I was making too much it.

In North america as a whole we seem to have this strange aversion to wanting to accept anything truly negative and evil. Whether it's terroism or a pandemic it seems that everyone is immune or can't understand why it is happening. "that only happens in 3rd world countries" and continue to still go out to public places and refuse to do any basic handwashing or taking care of themselves. It's only when one can no longer hide from it that suddenly I was the smart one and they all were the stupid ones. It is only when it affects them personally that it becomes something to be feared and acknowledged.

Quote from: sureshot;1125955In North america as a whole we seem to have this strange aversion to wanting to accept anything truly negative and evil. Whether it's terroism or a pandemic it seems that everyone is immune or can't understand why it is happening. "that only happens in 3rd world countries" and continue to still go out to public places and refuse to do any basic handwashing or taking care of themselves. It's only when one can no longer hide from it that suddenly I was the smart one and they all were the stupid ones. It is only when it affects them personally that it becomes something to be feared and acknowledged.

It's more media overexposure. As a guy whos traveled around allot, American journalists are the worst.

They say the world is ending on every day ending with a y.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1125935I highly doubt it. You project a curated persona that you find it very important for others to know about the same way a SJW finds important that other people know their a demi-queer panafrican sexual.
Its true that there is a culture war going on, Im just saying your actions within it are impotent at best and counterproductory at worst.

Are we still talking about the game?

The only culture war I know of is that the WoD books now push anti-republican rhetoric and disallows alphabet people as villains.

I find it offensive that alphabet people aren't allowed to be villains. That denies them agency and by extension their personhood.