Quote from: Larsdangly;1045855The only examples I've heard of so far of authors whose work has been forced out of major platforms were folks with tentacle porn covers and highly sexualized, prostitution-themed games. No one should be surprised they would end up self publishing. If you wouldn't want to hand out copies of a game to your children, parents and neighbors then probably the larger companies are not interested in stocking it. Can you point toward examples of people who are making a good faith effort to check their major porn elements but are being black balled by publishers?

The cover for that Black Tokyo book was not X rated IIRC. As we have countlessly pointed out, the Maid RPG should be construed as equally "problematic" and yet, as the author is part of the "in crowd", they get a pass. The string of censorship debacles involving OBS were clearly actions supported by a vocal minority of SJW-shit-lords pissing all over their perceived enemies. The new tribal-leftist-puritanism that creates unfathomable hysterics from people I once thought were "gamer normal".

Be careful Lars. You might be lured by the puritanical anti-sexy-times vitriol spewing from the mouths of these fanatics, but that is the ONLY thing you probably have in common with them...  They would gladly string you up and light you on fire with the rest of us.

Quote from: trechriron;1045863The cover for that Black Tokyo book was not X rated IIRC. As we have countlessly pointed out, the Maid RPG should be construed as equally "problematic" and yet, as the author is part of the "in crowd", they get a pass. The string of censorship debacles involving OBS were clearly actions supported by a vocal minority of SJW-shit-lords pissing all over their perceived enemies. The new tribal-leftist-puritanism that creates unfathomable hysterics from people I once thought were "gamer normal".

Be careful Lars. You might be lured by the puritanical anti-sexy-times vitriol spewing from the mouths of these fanatics, but that is the ONLY thing you probably have in common with them...  They would gladly string you up and light you on fire with the rest of us.

Man I could shingle my house with the bullshit these people give a pass to.  Maid?  Fine, great.  Exalted 3 and it's infamous "Child raped for eternity" content?  Fine.  Poison'd?  Fine.  Sorcerer?  Fine.  The list goes on and on.  Naked boobies and a passing mention to prostitutes in AD&D?  ZOMG GYGAX WAS A MONSTER.

Fuck them.

What am I supposed to notice about Maid? The cover and descriptive blurb don't suggest there is anything weird about it, other than sounding like a dumpster fire of narrative manga trash.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1045874What am I supposed to notice about Maid? The cover and descriptive blurb don't suggest there is anything weird about it, other than sounding like a dumpster fire of narrative manga trash.

Wow. Now I know how to trick prudes into buying my child-sex-trafficking roleplaying game. Apparently the content hardly matters as long as the cover is "acceptable".

Quote from: Larsdangly;1045855The only examples I've heard of so far of authors whose work has been forced out of major platforms were folks with tentacle porn covers and highly sexualized, prostitution-themed games. No one should be surprised they would end up self publishing. If you wouldn't want to hand out copies of a game to your children, parents and neighbors then probably the larger companies are not interested in stocking it. Can you point toward examples of people who are making a good faith effort to check their major porn elements but are being black balled by publishers?

I know there was a GamerGate satire card game that got pulled from OBS.  No major porn in that far as I know.

Also, there have been a few "fire the fans" posts on company forums and social media.  We've seen more of this in video games, comics and movies (gamers are dead articles, real Star Wars fans aren't afraid of PoC and women, we don't want you buying Battlefield 5, etc) for a while now.  The one table top example that comes to mind atm is Posthuman Studios (the Eclipse Phase people) who said "If you self-define as an MRA, please fire yourself as an Eclipse Phase fan. We don't want you. We want our forums to be open and inclusive, and we don't see the point of debating with you anymore." And while that's specifically against MRAs (which yeah, take or leave) I've seen other indie studios echo the sentiment on various forums/twitter and replacing MRA with anything right of far left.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1045874What am I supposed to notice about Maid? The cover and descriptive blurb don't suggest there is anything weird about it, other than sounding like a dumpster fire of narrative manga trash.

Most people won't notice because the offending comment isn't in newer editions. I only got it because I got a good price on a print copy to go along with the Golden Sky Stories kickstarter. I had to "acquire" an older PDF to see what that content was.

Quote from: S'mon;1045629I suspect it's hard to enforce SocJus tropes in the typical pub environment most public games play in.

Booze makes everything better.

Quote from: DocJones;1045644It is alleged that the owner of Evil Genius Games said to a woman (or women) on the convention floor, "Would you like to play test my penis?"

LOL. That's hysterical on so many levels.

It's a Meet the Feebles / Big Bang Theory mashup!

Quote from: Krimson;1045803Ulterior motive or not. Helping people is still helping people. It's still more than doing nothing at all.

True, but virtue signalling is hollow and only results in backlash, especially when its done as a corporate event.

It's like when oil companies toss a few pennies to fund a local park. It's good the park got the needed cash, but we all know the oil company is just buying PR.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1045793TSR Bowdlerized AD&D in the name of appeasing the Moral Busybodies, so demons, devils, assassins, half-orcs (I never, ever understood that one - and even today discussing it among the new Pearl-Clutching SJW types causes stress), prostitutes, drugs and alcohol were all purged from D&D.

One of the ironies of the last few days was reading some of the SJWs responding to the DnDGate tag holding up the Lorraine Williams era "morality contract" (which enshrined said Bowdlerizing into the contracts of all designers for TSR) as being an example of how "social justice has been a concern of D&D for years now".

Quote from: trechriron;1045875Wow. Now I know how to trick prudes into buying my child-sex-trafficking roleplaying game. Apparently the content hardly matters as long as the cover is "acceptable".

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Quote from: Larsdangly;1045787I can't tell that much about these games, but Hentacle's cover looks like a riff on tentacle porn and the review of Alpha Blue sounds like it is an extended play on sexual innuendo and jokes. I don't think anyone should be prevented by the law from publishing either of these things, but no one can assume a right to have any private company accept your product as part of the things they put up on their shelf (physically or digitally speaking). I don't really know drivethru's policies about sexual material, but there is a reasonable case to be made that these are simply products that this company doesn't want associated with its brand. How is that any different from the fact that if I want to publish a collection of pornographic images or erotica I need to either put it out there myself or find a publisher who focuses on that kind of material?

A) DriveThru is nearly a monopoly in the RPG ebook field so being banned from there automatically makes your product economically unfeasible.
B) There's an "adult" option in the account settings on DriveThru. That gives me (and everyone else) the option of not seeing this stuff while this stuff is kept in the catalog. Besides, it's the apex of hypocrisy to have an explicit setting for adult content (which obviously means you're more than willing to make money off adult stuff) and then banning something because it's "too adult".
C) The stuff which was banned was not banned because it was "too adult" but because some people made a fuss. This is mob rule and it's cretinous.

Quote from: DocJones;1045644It is alleged that the owner of Evil Genius Games said to a woman (or women) on the convention floor, "Would you like to play test my penis?"

#ResetTheClock

Quote from: DocJones;1045644The owner issued a facebook apology that denied any such thing occurred and that it did not occur at a bar he was at.

What an oddly specific followup.

Quote from: The Exploited.;1045780Don't know too many people that publicly state that they are for something and then they are pissed off by someone else agreeing with them.

I do.

The CtrlLeft can't stand when the 'wrong' people agree with them. Because it's never been about changing minds, but controlling people.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1045806It is insane to sneer at something you want to have happen because you have a fantasy in your head that it is all part of Mr. Burns' evil plot to take over the world. To engage in my own little bit of ad hominem projection of motives, I think this attitude is either a self destructive by product of nihilistic nerd culture, or a sign that someone wants to tear something down but wants to avoid the repercussions of saying so openly, so they take a few swings at the messenger rather than the message. Anyway, it is always stupid.

Which also accurately describes the CtrlLeft.

Quote from: The Exploited.;1045826no one is stopping SJWs or anyone else from making games that they want to see themselves.

That's obvious.

But they believe others must be silenced for them to be heard. It's probably the most fundamental aspect of their philosophy. So for their games to get a 'fair chance', other games with a different 'message' must go.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1045867Exalted 3 and it's infamous "Child raped for eternity" content?  Fine.

Actually this one gets a hell of a lot of heat. So much so I'm surprised it hasn't been pulled from DriveThru.

Quote from: rgalex;1045879I know there was a GamerGate satire card game that got pulled from OBS.

Actually there were two, from each end of the issue, and both got pulled.

Quote from: Luca;1045911A) DriveThru is nearly a monopoly in the RPG ebook field so being banned from there automatically makes your product economically unfeasible.
B) There's an "adult" option in the account settings on DriveThru. That gives me (and everyone else) the option of not seeing this stuff while this stuff is kept in the catalog. Besides, it's the apex of hypocrisy to have an explicit setting for adult content (which obviously means you're more than willing to make money off adult stuff) and then banning something because it's "too adult".
C) The stuff which was banned was not banned because it was "too adult" but because some people made a fuss. This is mob rule and it's cretinous.

This!!!

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1045916But they believe others must be silenced for them to be heard. It's probably the most fundamental aspect of their philosophy. So for their games to get a 'fair chance', other games with a different 'message' must go.

Absolutely!

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1045916The CtrlLeft can't stand when the 'wrong' people agree with them. Because it's never been about changing minds, but controlling people.

Actually, that's true...

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1045916That's obvious.

But they believe others must be silenced for them to be heard. It's probably the most fundamental aspect of their philosophy. So for their games to get a 'fair chance', other games with a different 'message' must go.

But that's the point I've been banging on about here... That these people should stop bleating on about what other people's games should be (or include), and just make their own. But we all know, that's not good enough for them they'd rather force (or attempt to at least) another's game into a mold that fits 'their' idea of what gaming should be. Same goes for those odd evangelical Christians .

There are some things in fantasy gaming that could come off as offensive to women and descendants of colonized cultures. The blog "Your Dungeon Is Problematic" (yes, that is the actual title) goes into a lot of detail about how many D&D monsters have descriptions that are exceptionally disturbing, reminiscent of real world racist propaganda, or unintentionally hilarious in a creepy fashion.

These are just off the top of my head as far as recurring instances go: every race is deeply stereotyped, tribal getup is used as shorthand for savage/uncivilized and many monsters are serial rapists. These depictions do not exist in a vacuum and they can alienate people trying to get into the hobby.

SJWs do not actually care about that.