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New Twilight 2000 rpg?

Started by Theory of Games, May 13, 2020, 02:45:32 PM

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Mordred Pendragon

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Quote from: Gagarth;1144964Well you are going to be disappointed there are ammo dice so the best you are probably going to get is rifle,pistol etc.  They seemed to to be going with a  2000 start date and the timeline from 2.2.  I am sure the timeline will be suitably massaged so the UK and the United States are basically Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany who  start the conflict.  Gotta keep the Neo-Marxist scum happy in case they come around loot your house, burn it down and shot your kid in the back of the head when he is bicycling around your driveway.

I doubt that.

Twilight 2000 is built on explicitly pro-Western and anti-communist setting assumptions and since this is also specifically an alternate history, it gives them a bit more wiggle room.

Also keep in mind that T2K is the kind of IP that wouldn't draw in SJW's to begin with since they all cling to D&D 5E, Pathfinder 2E, Onyx Path/V5, and Powered By The Apocalypse and it's also a revival that can't afford the level of reckless wokeness that WOTC and Paizo can or that was always there from the start with Onyx Path and Evil Hat

As dire as things are, I think the Marxists will still be the bad guys in Twilight 2000 and at most they might get a bone thrown their way in the form of a "but the Soviets weren't real communists/muh Anarcho-Communism" throwaway line or disclaimer box that has no bearing on the game beyond a bare minimum "Cover Your Own Ass" measure against RPG.net and their ilk
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Itachi

What's the setting like in terms of groups and powers? Is it changed much from real world?

HappyDaze

Quote from: Itachi;1145113What's the setting like in terms of groups and powers? Is it changed much from real world?

I'm pretty sure that the Soviets & Warsaw Pact are still the bad guys well past their expiration in the real world.

zend0g

Quote from: HappyDaze;1145121I'm pretty sure that the Soviets & Warsaw Pact are still the bad guys well past their expiration in the real world.

But it is so easy to change though. Plus, if you move it to a more modern timeline, PCs will better access to body armor which helps with the lethality of the setting.
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moonsweeper

Quote from: HappyDaze;1145121I'm pretty sure that the Soviets & Warsaw Pact are still the bad guys well past their expiration in the real world.

They are going with the Moscow coup succeeded setup.  So it looks like Pact v NATO is still the thing.

Quote from: zend0g;1145129But it is so easy to change though. Plus, if you move it to a more modern timeline, PCs will better access to body armor which helps with the lethality of the setting.

Doesn't really matter since T2000 is a survival game.  If they really are trying to keep it gritty as they claim, 2020 body armor vs 2000 body armor won't make much difference for a PC due to equipment deterioration.

It shouldn't be too difficult to generate stats for newer equipment.
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Body armor can't defend against dysentery. :p

moonsweeper

Quote from: Itachi;1145136Body armor can't defend against dysentery. :p

True that. :D
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A pack of Depends will let you stay buttoned up in the tank for up to 24 hours but not if you have dysentery.
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Quote from: Itachi;1145136Body armor can't defend against dysentery. :p

Is this Twilight 2000 or the Oregon Trail? :D

moonsweeper

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1145150Is this Twilight 2000 or the Oregon Trail? :D

I don't know that the survival rate was much different in either game... ;)

...although I don't remember ever losing my Oregon Trail party to a claymore.
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HappyDaze

Quote from: Itachi;1145136Body armor can't defend against dysentery. :p

Well, with today's gamers, somebody is bound to try to spread dysentery with tainted bullets.

Heavy Josh

Quote from: HappyDaze;1144994Well, it's illustrated, so the guns will all look different, but that might be about all.

To be fair, the gun stat differences in the 1.0, 2.0, and 2.2 editions of Twilight 2000 were not all that noteworthy. There were a tiny sliver of weapons players avoided equipping, but that was about it.
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zend0g

Quote from: Heavy Josh;1145164To be fair, the gun stat differences in the 1.0, 2.0, and 2.2 editions of Twilight 2000 were not all that noteworthy. There were a tiny sliver of weapons players avoided equipping, but that was about it.

Yes, but it is no where close to even those levels. In MY0 for artifact weapons, I think a pistol was 2 damage and a rifle and assault rifle was 2 damage but can shoot out to long range or something that effect. I think my my players would abject to a .30-06 doing the same damage as a 9mm. But I guess we will see what they can do with it.
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Twilight:2000 Q&A with Tomas Härenstam, Free League Publishing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq8aXbdMHtI&feature=em-lbrm
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Quote from: Gagarth;1145208Twilight:2000 Q&A with Tomas Härenstam, Free League Publishing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq8aXbdMHtI&feature=em-lbrm

Very interesting interview, thanks!

I suspect this will be the project where they fuse all the ideas developed from previous games together: Survival and exploration mechanisms from Mutant and Forbidden Lands, Coolness under stress from Alien, Bonds with teammates from Tales from the loop, etc, etc, etc. The system will be more granular for sure, but he says he would like for those mechanics to be faster and playable rather than slow and super crunchy. I'm optimistic.

Edit: ...and the Base building (and maintaining and defending) stretch goal is reached!